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Dec 24, 2022 23:37:15 GMT -8
Post by friend on Dec 24, 2022 23:37:15 GMT -8
Hey, for some time I've wondered about whether there is a actual replacement for mspaint. Of course, there's a wide choice of other graphics programs, but they are all leaps and bounds outside of what mspaint is meant to be. It's like comparing VSCode, or better yet Visual Studio to Notepad. The difference is that Notepad has what I'd call a good replacement - Notepad++. It's a small and easy to use program, it boots almost instantly (very important), doesn't use any runtimes. I've tried looking for such a program to replace mspaint, but couldn't find anything that suited me. My "ideal", if you will, mspaint replacement would be written in Win32 API, or some other library capable of drawing native widgets like wxWidgets (binary size would suffer, though). It'd be a bit more advanced than mspaint, having a non-intrusive support for layers, transparency, some basic effects such as blur. Paint.net is almost what I've described, but it uses a runtime, booting it for the first time takes much more time than I'd like and I don't really like it's interface. On the Notepad-Visual Studio spectrum, it lies somewhere below VSCode, by way of the virtues described. So, my question is - do you know such a program? I thought about creating one myself (C++ with wxWidgets), but it'd propably end up like most of my other projects, predictably. Regards
Hi friend. Please stop using stupid garbage words such as 'modern' or 'though'. These are dumb, stupid. Then again, Visual Studio & co. users... (what's even a 'non-intrusive' thing? Does support for layers normally break into your computer or house or something?) You mentioned Notepad++, there exists one that is better than it, and the author is not a f ggot and therefore your soul does not suffer from its usage -- on the contrary. It is called CudaText. Do you know LazPaint? It's a great program. Somewhat similar to Paint.NET, but better. It's fast, small (14.5MB the one I have). Native (Lazarus LCL) controls. Easy to use, does a lot more than Paint (layers, gradients, rotations and so on). I didn't like the file browser; it's possible to change to a normal dialog. The tool windows can be docked. These are things one could whine about, but the author did well in giving the user the option to change them.
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Dec 25, 2022 13:52:12 GMT -8
Post by waldemar21214 on Dec 25, 2022 13:52:12 GMT -8
Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. LazPaint is quite close to what I want, it's boot time is very good (which can make or break a app, in my opinion). I don't quite follow on what you've said about Notepad++. Do you mean it literally? Does it's author being a fag (which, I don't know about) put my soul at a risk of eternal damnation? I don't suffer physically or mentally from using it, but spiritually I couldn't know. Care to elaborate? Regards
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Dec 25, 2022 18:10:06 GMT -8
Post by friend on Dec 25, 2022 18:10:06 GMT -8
Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. LazPaint is quite close to what I want, it's boot time is very good (which can make or break a app, in my opinion). I don't quite follow on what you've said about Notepad++. Do you mean it literally? Does it's author being a fag (which, I don't know about) put my soul at a risk of eternal damnation? I don't suffer physically or mentally from using it, but spiritually I couldn't know. Care to elaborate? Regards I agree about boot time; the time taken to start a program up should be proportional to the program's capabilities. However, we see many bloated piles of garbage made by incompetent programmers that take long times to start up. Regarding Notepad++... for starters, the author is from France . Just kidding. I've used that program for years, including on Windows XP machines, and really liked it, and the green icon was pretty. In recent years the author has been putting lots of drivel on his website. See notepad-plus-plus dot org, in the News section, for a few examples. Knowing this, upon using that application, inevitable is the immediate association. This is the reason why I said that; the effect upon each particular soul depends on each one. To our souls there is a certain detriment inherent to the utilization of evil creations; this happens whether the user is aware or not. The Apostle tells us to „prove all things; hold fast that which is good” and also to „abstain from all appearance of evil” in one of his letters. Looking for alternatives I found that text editor I mentioned, and liked it better, not only for this reason, but also its name, speed, customization options, the programming language it's written in, and other reasons. Finding good programs, well written, using tasteful, respectable tools, is a great joy; and so is finding good alternatives for anything that is, in any aspect, bad. It is pleasant to our souls. This is why I said « on the contrary ». This is not exclusive to computer applications. We, who stay in places such as this one, to find alternatives to distasteful, dumb, disrespectful, vulgar, repulsive graphical user interfaces, which have been made widespread in recent years by instruments of the Evil One (e.g. Windows 8 and later) do good to our souls, and to our minds as well.
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Dec 29, 2022 10:38:32 GMT -8
Post by waldemar21214 on Dec 29, 2022 10:38:32 GMT -8
I have found another option to consider. PhotoFiltre appears to be a simple drawing program not too far detached from mspaint. Boot time - almost instantaneous. I've found it in ReactOS app manager, I don't know why it didn't occur to me sooner that this might be a good place to look in. Unfortunately it's proprietary, and the free version is somewhat limited. Also, I don't know if it's just me but I can't find some important options such as line thickness for shapes (to set it you have to use the setting in the line tool), and the selection tools are lacking even compared to mspaint (or again, I just couldn't find them). If anything, it's a good source of ideas for when I'll get on working on my own program (because you know I will) www.photofiltre-studio.com/pf7-en.htm
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Jan 2, 2023 4:52:33 GMT -8
Post by friend on Jan 2, 2023 4:52:33 GMT -8
Yeah, I remember Photofiltre, me and a friend used it around 2010. Something made us stop using it around that time. Don't know if the author became sort of a REDACTED, limiting features and constantly nagging about the paid version. But we've started using alternatives, and, Windows 7's MSPaint was one of them. Around that time, Photoshop was still good (versions CS4, then CS5) (in subsequent years insufferable kikery ensued. It's trash now. Fuck subscription and cloud services, fuck pajeets, burn it all.) Then, for simpler things, the two program we've mentioned were alternatives. Good luck with your program, hope it succeeds. Make it good. We need more non-f ggot software written in good languages and libraries. Staff Edit: Usage of racial/hateful slurs is a violation of rule #9. You have been warned!
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Feb 8, 2023 12:26:27 GMT -8
Post by herit://that1cutie on Feb 8, 2023 12:26:27 GMT -8
nasty slur-filled racist, antisemetic, and homophobic (and repetitive) *bullshit* friend What the hell is wrong with you? You're going to ask people to stop using words like "modern" but you're out here slinging slurs left and right. There *is something* clearly wrong with you. You have zero right to call anything "vulgar" or "disrespectful" as you clearly haven't a clue what those things mean. The way you talk is not welcome here by a long stretch of the imagination. Also why are you making this about God and objective evil and people's souls? This is an online forum about Windows. Not whatever that is.
waldemar21214 The load time is a little long, and it might be a little out of the scope of what you're looking for, but Krita is a really really good Photoshop replacement that's free and open source. It's very powerful.
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Feb 8, 2023 12:52:40 GMT -8
Post by leet on Feb 8, 2023 12:52:40 GMT -8
I have a bunch of small things I'd like to say here: Hi friend. How dare you speak of ancient words like 'Windows XP' and the blasphemous 'Photoshop CS4'. Kindly have to ask you to shut up. In all seriousness: I'm genuinely interested in what you find 'good software'. From my experience as a developer, Visual Studio 2022 is godly compared to anything else like it. Pretty much any software is written in it nowadays, even (excuse my language here) modern games, as both Unity and Unreal Engine take advantage of it. Windows 8: just do not use Metro. You will see that it is much better than Windows 7 both in use and technically. As to PhotoShop: my best guess is that you have never used the latest PS versions. They're good, like really good. Yes we all hate Adobe for basically 'renting' the software instead of being able to own it, but that does not make software worse. Windows 7 MS Paint is not a replacement for anything. I literally do not know any third-party paint software that is worse than MS Paint. Not saying it is inherently bad, just that everything else is better. If you don't want to use PS or MS Paint, just use Paint.NET. It is light, fast and powerful. Coming back to where I started: why do you despise such software?
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Feb 10, 2023 17:43:26 GMT -8
Post by pal on Feb 10, 2023 17:43:26 GMT -8
Emotionally-driven drivel, feel-good garbage. You're simply incapable of understanding what I said because you lack intelligence and higher senses, and are only able to reflexively spurt out key-words, slogans, shibboleths from ideologies you've been conditioned with. To make you not feel bad about your blubbering, you've added a comment on The Topic of Conversation™. Unsurprisingly, you feel bad about God, objective evil and souls. Were that not the case, this case of flight from The Topic of Conversation™ would not bother you in the least. Not surprising for someone who puts pronouns in (their ) profiles elsewhere. The state of your own soul is reflected on the grotesque dissonant noise you produce and consume. In all seriousness: I'm genuinely interested in what you find 'good software'. From my experience as a developer, Visual Studio 2022 is godly compared to anything else like it. Pretty much any software is written in it nowadays, even (excuse my language here) modern games, as both Unity and Unreal Engine take advantage of it. Good software is efficient; does what it is supposed to do, not more; has no unnecessary bloat; is owned and controlled by the user, not the other way around. Visual Studio® is undoubtedly an efficient program, that has existed for over 20 years. I've used it since the 2008 version. I've seen improvements and degradations: for example, improvemements in code-completion tools and syntatical analysis; degradations in visual appearance since 2012 (just like Windows® 8 -- following the spirit of that time onwards). In newer versions, it often gets in the way and tells the user how they should do things, which can get annoying at times. For example, a few months ago I mentioned how a program of yours could've been made using an older .NET Framework version, had it been but for two simple recent language features; these features might be suggested by M$'s standards, of using The Latest Version™, and by the IDE. So this could lead to inefficiency, in the end -- clueless developers who are dependent on tools, The Latest Versions™, and who add unecessary bloat to software. We see this everywhere nowadays, don't we? Windows® 8 and 10 are not only visually detestable, but bloated, and can be genuinely called "invasive" -- telemetry, advertising, forced updates. There are indeed a few technical improvements over Windows® 7. But they've dumbed it down as much as possible, so as to make it usable by the lowest dregs. This is necessary, considering the purpose of modern technology. I've not used them, but seen productions; again, undeniable their capabilities are. It does make it worse -- again, not the program's funcionalities, but the program. Consider it not being licensed on a subscription-basis, but, as it was in the past. That would make it better for users, wouldn't it? Compared to previous Windows® versions I meant. "Everything else is better" because you're making unsuitable comparisons. On the one hand, a simple image editing application; on the other hand, complex image editing applications. Compare Notepad with some other editor that supports syntax highlighting for various programming languages, word-completion, spell-checking and so on. Windows® 7's MSPaint is what it is, and is good at being what it is meant to be.
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Feb 11, 2023 4:27:53 GMT -8
Post by herit://that1cutie on Feb 11, 2023 4:27:53 GMT -8
Nah you're just fucking crazy and not worth my time. That's why you got banned and are about to get banned again. Here's the funny part; it's not like I didn't understand what you said, that's why I replied to it. You're just incapable of responding to criticism because you're a clown. Grow the hell up. Sorry your favorite thing to do is act like a kindergartener online.
We talk about Windows here, and we talk like adults here.
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Feb 11, 2023 15:02:02 GMT -8
Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 11, 2023 15:02:02 GMT -8
Nah you're just fucking crazy and not worth my time. That's why you got banned and are about to get banned again. Here's the funny part; it's not like I didn't understand what you said, that's why I replied to it. You're just incapable of responding to criticism because you're a clown. Grow the hell up. Sorry your favorite thing to do is act like a kindergartener online.
We talk about Windows here, and we talk like adults here.
No need to reply with more insults in return, thank you. Moreover, you imply that friend/pal says nothing but nonsense on the forum. However on several technical subjects, in particular in this page (not on the political subject, I reassure you), I agree with him. So by saying that, you are unwittingly targeting me (and I take it as such). I feel myself being treated like a child in a way.
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Feb 11, 2023 17:05:25 GMT -8
Post by buddy on Feb 11, 2023 17:05:25 GMT -8
Evidently my comment in the shoutbox evoked your previous reply. Pure effeminate blubbering; you felt offended by words, felt compelled to see my profile, found posts made several weeks ago, which would probably be ignored otherwise. on several technical subjects, in particular in this page (not on the political subject, I reassure you) This is one of the greatest of Their tricks: to make "politics" a huge turf war and everything "political". Nowadays, in everything one does, one must tread with the utmost care not to trigger some pre-conditioned irrational reaction. Language included, naturally. One is compelled to be always anxious and defensive; ready to conform to the current imposed standards of political correctness. You said "I do not understand the mixture with societal subjects which have nothing to do with the initial subject". This is absolutely false. To understand what's happened in the last 13 years or so in these subjects you need a broader view; then all starts making sense. That is a reflection of the current state of affairs. Not only software, technology or the Internet; music, television, films, cartoons, video games, fashion and beauty standards, Art, scientific subjects, politics, architecture, relationships, the languages we speak, and the list goes on. Degeneration is everywhere; failure to see this leads to confusion. Ignorance and confusion; physical deformities; mental disorders; emotional weakness; spiritual sterility. All stems from a very basic, simple, elementary principle. The aforementioned subjects are mere tools.
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Feb 12, 2023 1:39:16 GMT -8
Post by herit://that1cutie on Feb 12, 2023 1:39:16 GMT -8
Nah you're just fucking crazy and not worth my time. That's why you got banned and are about to get banned again. Here's the funny part; it's not like I didn't understand what you said, that's why I replied to it. You're just incapable of responding to criticism because you're a clown. Grow the hell up. Sorry your favorite thing to do is act like a kindergartener online.
We talk about Windows here, and we talk like adults here.
No need to reply with more insults in return, thank you. Moreover, you imply that friend/pal says nothing but nonsense on the forum. However on several technical subjects, in particular in this page (not on the political subject, I reassure you), I agree with him. So by saying that, you are unwittingly targeting me (and I take it as such). I feel myself being treated like a child in a way.
With all due respect I think you are completely overlooking my point and I cannot tell whether or not this is intentional.
If your focus is upon what insult I returned, I also feel the sheer amount of insults (and recurrent rule breaks) dealt specifically toward me has been overlooked.
I don't exactly dish out insults often. They are earned.
I was not myself commenting at all upon the understanding of technical subjects. I was not even commenting upon politics. This was twisted into being about politics *after* I commented. I was commenting on the awful (and literally rule-violating) things which were said *to me,* literally and intentionally baiting me to reply to which. And before that, to crude rule-violating hate speech in our forums. You cannot seriously read what is being said to me and think it is acceptable, can you?
It was never my intention to insult you, but if you feel insulted by that which had nothing to do with you, I take it then that you agree with the all insults slung toward me as well.
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Feb 12, 2023 4:13:20 GMT -8
Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 12, 2023 4:13:20 GMT -8
herit://that1cutieFirst of all, English is not my first language (like many members of this forum for that matter), it is logical that I do not always use the correct terms. For example "politics" is not really what I meant. Second, it's because I agree with friend on some technical issues; but your message seemed to include all of the words of friends, not just the disrespectful words against you. Especially when you mentioned that "he was not able to talk about Windows-related topics" which is wrong. I in no way agree with his dubious allusions. Especially since I myself was targeted in a certain way (the joke about the origin of the developer of Notepad++, who is French).
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Feb 12, 2023 4:21:56 GMT -8
Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 12, 2023 4:21:56 GMT -8
More generally, I do not at all want this forum to degenerate into pages of insults and personal conflicts. buddy The problem is absolutely not to define what is political (or societal) from what is not. The problem is that from the beginning, you disrespect certain people by making inappropriate allusions. Do not be surprised to make enemies in this situation. You talk about degeneration: personally, I don't find pitting people against each other to be virtuous, sorry. And yet I am the first to perceive a link between a deleterious societal situation and the evolution of software. In particular, I associate DRM and the lack of customization possibilities in recent software with the control society that Gille Deleuze was talking about.
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Feb 12, 2023 6:54:00 GMT -8
Post by amigo on Feb 12, 2023 6:54:00 GMT -8
The problem is that from the beginning, you disrespect certain people by making inappropriate allusions. Do not be surprised to make enemies in this situation. Excatly, this is all what this is about: that grotesque imitation of a woman has been offended by words; first, personally by my remark about that repulsive program called D*scord, which happened to include a forbidden word, then, by my blunt language and caustic humor which happened to be directed towards currently protected groups. Then the blubbering about rules and whatnot ensued. My posts had been here for weeks unnoticed; you see, our friend above waldemar21214 simply ignored me, didn't get offended by such silliness, and did not whine about it at all. This is an indicator of a sound, healthy mind. Right, I'm directly attacking over sixty million people. Dude. To take this personally is absurd. That was a silly joke, I made it clear. If I were French, I would chuckle at it. You talk about degeneration: personally, I don't find pitting people against each other to be virtuous, sorry. And yet I am the first to perceive a link between a deleterious societal situation and the evolution of software. In particular, I associate DRM and the lack of customization possibilities in recent software with the control society that Gille Deleuze was talking about. Neither do I, and if you pay attention, that is precisely one of my main points: what I said about modern "politics" being tools used to divide people. Firstly, people's own souls are divided and caused to be in a state of confusion, incongruousness, constant turmoil. Then, they are easily put against each other. See this common over-sensitivity, effeminacy, virtue-signalling. Ah, French thinkers. Reading them requires a strong filter; else one falls into profound degeneracy. Here's a few relevant quotes on the subject. The author is often scorned, understandably, but is right about many things. Jacques Ellul, a Frenchman , has similar ideas, and more sober in his thought.
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Feb 12, 2023 7:45:42 GMT -8
Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 12, 2023 7:45:42 GMT -8
Excatly, this is all what this is about: that grotesque imitation of a woman has been offended by words; first, personally by my remark about that repulsive program called D*scord, which happened to include a forbidden word, then, by my blunt language and caustic humor which happened to be directed towards currently protected groups. Then the blubbering about rules and whatnot ensued. My posts had been here for weeks unnoticed; you see, our friend above waldemar21214 simply ignored me, didn't get offended by such silliness, and did not whine about it at all. This is an indicator of a sound, healthy mind. I understand that it can be upsetting for you to be taken back for old messages, and indeed, I had seen these messages myself in the past, I said nothing. However, I still found it strange, I didn't understand the mix with subjects that had nothing to do with the starting subject. I didn't feel targeted by anything, but I quickly found it disrespectful to many people. Moreover, nobody is obliged on this forum to be careful not to hurt this or that minority. Personally, I have never felt compelled to pay attention to this, in addition to 500 messages. Paying attention to respect for anyone is enough. For example, why say "that grotesque imitation of a woman"? It's disrespectful, it has nothing to do with humour, and it brings nothing to your point, it's even the opposite, it serves you well. In fact, I didn't understand the joke, I don't quite know how to hang it. I understood that it was a joke, but I did not understand the meaning. I pretty much agree socially. I see myself that very often it is in the most privileged circles that details like this interest people the most. It's even often the circles most detached from minority issues that are the most tolerant overall, it's just that some intolerant people can slip through the cracks. Which also refers to the problem that 21st century society has with risk, there is a desire to eliminate all forms of risk You mentioned the question of the values of such and such a developer. Personally, I agree with a lot of political opinion of the developer of Notepad++, and the disagreements are not enough to cause me a moral problem. However, I encountered this problem during the boycott of Richard Stallman by several organizations supporting Open-Source/Free Software. However, I quickly understood that Richard Stallman had done nothing wrong and was the victim of a campaign of denigration and hatred without the slightest foundation (it was said that he supported Epstein, it was false, that he was transphobic, that was wrong). Since then, there are indeed many foundations (started with Mozilla) that I no longer support (on the other hand, I started to support the FSF even more). From there not to use certain software, I am not there, I consider that it is important to dissociate the software from its developers (it is like for art). I know a little Jacques Ellul, I appreciate many things.
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Feb 12, 2023 7:47:37 GMT -8
Post by Ofelia on Feb 12, 2023 7:47:37 GMT -8
I think the mods should just lock this thread, and I'm surprised they didn't do that yet. "Friend" is even ban evading just to cause more heat in here, and at this point I just think he's a troll trying to cause more heat on purpose.
This thread has spiraled too far from it's original post's topic, and in a community where everyone works together, in-fighting and hate speech is not accepted. If you want my sincere advice, we should just stop responding to him and lock this thread already. This has already gone on for way too long.
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Feb 12, 2023 7:56:38 GMT -8
Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 12, 2023 7:56:38 GMT -8
I think the mods should just lock this thread, and I'm surprised they didn't do that yet. "Friend" is even ban evading just to cause more heat in here, and at this point I just think he's a troll trying to cause more heat on purpose.
This thread has spiraled too far from it's original post's topic, and in a community where everyone works together, in-fighting and hate speech is not accepted. If you want my sincere advice, we should just stop responding to him and lock this thread already. This has already gone on for way too long.
In general, a troll is more virulent, rather the type to launch non-argued sentences. But I agree, the subject has deviated enough as it is. And I completely agree concerning the well-being of the community, this kind of situation has never happened until now (at least, since I am active on the forum). And it risks degenerating into deeper and multiple conflicts, which would be extremely damaging for the future of the forum. I stop answering myself.
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Feb 12, 2023 8:13:54 GMT -8
Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Feb 12, 2023 8:13:54 GMT -8
Getting back on topic, I agree, MSPaint is great for what it's supposed to do, ie pretty limited stuff. Quite simply because it is well coded and therefore efficient and fast. It has already seemed to me that the images are displayed better, even better than in most other image viewers. Regarding PhotoFiltre, it seems to me a good choice, the opening is very fast in terms of functionality (I'm talking about the free version). To bring water to the mill, it is indeed quite possible to obtain software that is both powerful and efficient: VirtualDub and a very good example. It's an absolutely impressive video editing software, everything is fast (no waiting time at startup, nor when applying a filter), the quality of the processed videos is perfect, and even the sound is better than in the audio editors.
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Feb 12, 2023 8:29:39 GMT -8
Post by waldemar21214 on Feb 12, 2023 8:29:39 GMT -8
Well, I'm sorry to break it for you but I am a sociopath with OCD and I see things in the corner of my eyes at night. Other than that, I agree somewhat. People get offended WAY too easily, especially when the offence is not directed at them.
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