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Post by nineret on Jul 10, 2023 4:02:42 GMT -8
hi everyone...
i search for countless amount of times and for the whole search engine i still couldn't find way to get basic animation on windows 10 D:
doe anyone have way to get it on windows 10? and i decide to make this post
but hey in installer or in repair mode with command prompt, you can actually seen basic minimize and maximize animation on it right? something that look like windows xp , vista basic and 7 basic animation
its it possible to have these animation on windows 10? :3
sorry if i post on wrong section
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Post by comptonrapper on Jul 13, 2023 10:25:58 GMT -8
hi everyone...
i search for countless amount of times and for the whole search engine i still couldn't find way to get basic animation on windows 10 D:
doe anyone have way to get it on windows 10? and i decide to make this post
but hey in installer or in repair mode with command prompt, you can actually seen basic minimize and maximize animation on it right? something that look like windows xp , vista basic and 7 basic animation
its it possible to have these animation on windows 10? :3
sorry if i post on wrong section
WinRE or the installer don't have DWM, you could disable DWM and get it that way but it's not really recommended because a lot of modern applications will break without it, including any UWP ones. |
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Post by nineret on Jul 13, 2023 18:36:13 GMT -8
hi everyone...
i search for countless amount of times and for the whole search engine i still couldn't find way to get basic animation on windows 10 D:
doe anyone have way to get it on windows 10? and i decide to make this post
but hey in installer or in repair mode with command prompt, you can actually seen basic minimize and maximize animation on it right? something that look like windows xp , vista basic and 7 basic animation
its it possible to have these animation on windows 10? :3
sorry if i post on wrong section
WinRE or the installer don't have DWM, you could disable DWM and get it that way but it's not really recommended because a lot of modern applications will break without it, including any UWP ones. i've already disabled DWM, but it's still had modern animation... how to? ;w; |
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Post by ihatemetro on Jul 13, 2023 19:50:14 GMT -8
WinRE or the installer don't have DWM, you could disable DWM and get it that way but it's not really recommended because a lot of modern applications will break without it, including any UWP ones. i've already disabled DWM, but it's still had modern animation... how to? ;w; Then are you sure that you have actually disabled DWM? Check the process list in task manager. The proper way to remove DWM is to rename DWM.exe and replace it with a copy of rundll32.exe. |
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Post by nineret on Jul 13, 2023 21:17:39 GMT -8
i've already disabled DWM, but it's still had modern animation... how to? ;w; Then are you sure that you have actually disabled DWM? Check the process list in task manager. The proper way to remove DWM is to rename DWM.exe and replace it with a copy of rundll32.exe. thanks
its it really work!!! but most of app and desktop kinda broken
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Post by golddl on Jul 14, 2023 7:21:57 GMT -8
Then are you sure that you have actually disabled DWM? Check the process list in task manager. The proper way to remove DWM is to rename DWM.exe and replace it with a copy of rundll32.exe. thanks
its it really work!!! but most of app and desktop kinda broken
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Jul 14, 2023 14:18:48 GMT -8
This animation is only possible with DWM, although I have been looking into ways to emulate it while DWM is running, as I would like to use it on my personal setup and I don't want to disable DWM. I've been looking into it for a while now. I plan to look into hooking DWM and emulating the effect through some means that way. I've been dreading the idea, though. I was working on a program a few months ago that hooks into every application and makes an animation window that displays on top of all other windows over the entire surface of the main monitor, effectively emulating the effect. However, this is poorly written and has many bugs. I'm not super skilled with GDI and I couldn't get the animation to perform as well as I liked during testing, so I made quite a few hacks along the way in various attempts to improve the smoothness of the animation. Since it indiscriminately hooks every program running on your computer and doesn't even try to hide it, it can have additional side effects such as tripping games' anti-cheat mechanisms. The implementation itself is inspired by the method RocketDock (that old program to get a Mac OS X-like dock on Windows) used, using a Windows CBT hook to monitor and intercept maximize/minimize events. If you want to play around with it, it shouldn't cause much harm apart from the animation or end result being buggy, and it tripping the anti-cheat of certain games. I believe this download contains both the source code and the compiled executable, otherwise you should be able to compile this with a C99 compliant compiler: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758913738136354848/1129161057194217472/ClassicMinMax.zip |
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Post by nineret on Jul 14, 2023 22:11:36 GMT -8
This animation is only possible with DWM, although I have been looking into ways to emulate it while DWM is running, as I would like to use it on my personal setup and I don't want to disable DWM. I've been looking into it for a while now. I plan to look into hooking DWM and emulating the effect through some means that way. I've been dreading the idea, though. I was working on a program a few months ago that hooks into every application and makes an animation window that displays on top of all other windows over the entire surface of the main monitor, effectively emulating the effect. However, this is poorly written and has many bugs. I'm not super skilled with GDI and I couldn't get the animation to perform as well as I liked during testing, so I made quite a few hacks along the way in various attempts to improve the smoothness of the animation. Since it indiscriminately hooks every program running on your computer and doesn't even try to hide it, it can have additional side effects such as tripping games' anti-cheat mechanisms. The implementation itself is inspired by the method RocketDock (that old program to get a Mac OS X-like dock on Windows) used, using a Windows CBT hook to monitor and intercept maximize/minimize events. If you want to play around with it, it shouldn't cause much harm apart from the animation or end result being buggy, and it tripping the anti-cheat of certain games. I believe this download contains both the source code and the compiled executable, otherwise you should be able to compile this with a C99 compliant compiler: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758913738136354848/1129161057194217472/ClassicMinMax.zipis there is a compiled file?
can you sent an compiled file? i tries to compile but its failed (i used like 30gb just to compile this file, i mean install visual studio and needed package)
i get like 'is not vaild 32 bit error' while building your .sln file
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Post by nineret on Jul 14, 2023 22:15:22 GMT -8
thanks
its it really work!!! but most of app and desktop kinda broken
what version of windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 22H2
okay here are issue while i am using windows 10 without DWM
desktop kinda bug sometimes and weird upper black line on desktop
taskbar right side are not respond (but its still update time and systemtray)
some program are sometimes not respond for some reasons opening minecraft making entire screen black
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Post by golddl on Jul 15, 2023 1:14:18 GMT -8
what version of windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 22H2
okay here are issue while i am using windows 10 without DWM
desktop kinda bug sometimes and weird upper black line on desktop
taskbar right side are not respond (but its still update time and systemtray)
some program are sometimes not respond for some reasons opening minecraft making entire screen black
Im not sure about games tbh but for my work laptop i use windows 10 without dwm and its mostly stable, the best version to use is v1511 cuz it works with replacing dwm with rundll32 (also get PSTools for bypassing uwp logon screen) also for taskbar use retrobar as it is not affected by dwm along with startisback for the start menu (open shell breaks for some unknown reason) If you see a black window with weird behaviors, right click anywhere on it and minimize it( its some weird glitch which im gonna ask about at one point (caused by retrobar from what i can tell)) |
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Post by nineret on Jul 15, 2023 6:15:38 GMT -8
Windows 10 22H2
okay here are issue while i am using windows 10 without DWM
desktop kinda bug sometimes and weird upper black line on desktop
taskbar right side are not respond (but its still update time and systemtray)
some program are sometimes not respond for some reasons opening minecraft making entire screen black
Im not sure about games tbh but for my work laptop i use windows 10 without dwm and its mostly stable, the best version to use is v1511 cuz it works with replacing dwm with rundll32 (also get PSTools for bypassing uwp logon screen) also for taskbar use retrobar as it is not affected by dwm along with startisback for the start menu (open shell breaks for some unknown reason) If you see a black window with weird behaviors, right click anywhere on it and minimize it( its some weird glitch which im gonna ask about at one point (caused by retrobar from what i can tell)) thanks but,
hey but can you find any solution to fix a desktop bug? and upper top? after few minute desktop will be on weird behavior duplicate frame from last task still display even task is minized?
also everytime i start task in task manager (classic) task manager will stop respond
oh and also retrobar has no animation.
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Jul 15, 2023 13:08:49 GMT -8
This animation is only possible with DWM, although I have been looking into ways to emulate it while DWM is running, as I would like to use it on my personal setup and I don't want to disable DWM. I've been looking into it for a while now. I plan to look into hooking DWM and emulating the effect through some means that way. I've been dreading the idea, though. I was working on a program a few months ago that hooks into every application and makes an animation window that displays on top of all other windows over the entire surface of the main monitor, effectively emulating the effect. However, this is poorly written and has many bugs. I'm not super skilled with GDI and I couldn't get the animation to perform as well as I liked during testing, so I made quite a few hacks along the way in various attempts to improve the smoothness of the animation. Since it indiscriminately hooks every program running on your computer and doesn't even try to hide it, it can have additional side effects such as tripping games' anti-cheat mechanisms. The implementation itself is inspired by the method RocketDock (that old program to get a Mac OS X-like dock on Windows) used, using a Windows CBT hook to monitor and intercept maximize/minimize events. If you want to play around with it, it shouldn't cause much harm apart from the animation or end result being buggy, and it tripping the anti-cheat of certain games. I believe this download contains both the source code and the compiled executable, otherwise you should be able to compile this with a C99 compliant compiler: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758913738136354848/1129161057194217472/ClassicMinMax.zipis there is a compiled file?
can you sent an compiled file? i tries to compile but its failed (i used like 30gb just to compile this file, i mean install visual studio and needed package)
i get like 'is not vaild 32 bit error' while building your .sln file
Yeah, here's what I last built of this project:
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Post by golddl on Jul 16, 2023 2:03:51 GMT -8
Im not sure about games tbh but for my work laptop i use windows 10 without dwm and its mostly stable, the best version to use is v1511 cuz it works with replacing dwm with rundll32 (also get PSTools for bypassing uwp logon screen) also for taskbar use retrobar as it is not affected by dwm along with startisback for the start menu (open shell breaks for some unknown reason) If you see a black window with weird behaviors, right click anywhere on it and minimize it( its some weird glitch which im gonna ask about at one point (caused by retrobar from what i can tell)) thanks but,
hey but can you find any solution to fix a desktop bug? and upper top? after few minute desktop will be on weird behavior duplicate frame from last task still display even task is minized?
also everytime i start task in task manager (classic) task manager will stop respond
oh and also retrobar has no animation.
im not sure what the issue is, is it possible for you to send a screenshot of the problem with the desktop, also did you replace dwm with a renamed rundll32 in its place in the system32 folder? as retrobar should not be affecting the taskbar animation The classic taskmanager situation is something i do not have unfortunately and im not sure what could be causing the issue |
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Post by nineret on Jul 16, 2023 7:27:24 GMT -8
thanks but,
hey but can you find any solution to fix a desktop bug? and upper top? after few minute desktop will be on weird behavior duplicate frame from last task still display even task is minized?
also everytime i start task in task manager (classic) task manager will stop respond
oh and also retrobar has no animation.
im not sure what the issue is, is it possible for you to send a screenshot of the problem with the desktop, also did you replace dwm with a renamed rundll32 in its place in the system32 folder? as retrobar should not be affecting the taskbar animation The classic taskmanager situation is something i do not have unfortunately and im not sure what could be causing the issue  there expect start button is bugged when press print button |
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Post by nineret on Jul 16, 2023 7:28:20 GMT -8
is there is a compiled file?
can you sent an compiled file? i tries to compile but its failed (i used like 30gb just to compile this file, i mean install visual studio and needed package)
i get like 'is not vaild 32 bit error' while building your .sln file
Yeah, here's what I last built of this project:
thanks... but i have no idea how to use it? i direct execute the file nothing happen |
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Post by ihatemetro on Jul 16, 2023 9:44:57 GMT -8
what version of windows 10 are you using? Windows 10 22H2
okay here are issue while i am using windows 10 without DWM
desktop kinda bug sometimes and weird upper black line on desktop
taskbar right side are not respond (but its still update time and systemtray)
some program are sometimes not respond for some reasons opening minecraft making entire screen black
1. Rename StartMenuExperienceHost.exe (It is in C:\WINDOWS\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.StartMenuExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyew) 2. Rename MiniSearchHost.exe, SearchHost.exe and TextInputHost.exe (All are in C:\Windows\SystemApps\MicrosoftWindows.Client.CBS_cw5n1h2txyewy) 3. Rename Windows.immersiveshell.serviceprovider.dll (Found in C:\Windows\System32)
Alternatively, just rename C:\Windows\SystemApps (but you still have to rename windows.immersiveshell.serviceprovider.dll).
Though, not sure about Minecraft, it depends whether or not it is Java or Bedrock. Java (runtime) is Win32 so it should work completely fine with DWM off, but Bedrock is a metro application and so it won't work with DWM off.
Also, you might want to consider restoring old Control Panel pages (such as display, etc.) in order to gain more functionality with DWM off. The metro settings app does not work with DWM off.
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Jul 16, 2023 15:09:34 GMT -8
Yeah, here's what I last built of this project:
thanks... but i have no idea how to use it? i direct execute the file nothing happen It should work if you run either of the server EXEs as administrator. You will need to have DWM of course, or the native animation will probably just override it. |
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Post by golddl on Jul 17, 2023 13:18:30 GMT -8
im not sure what the issue is, is it possible for you to send a screenshot of the problem with the desktop, also did you replace dwm with a renamed rundll32 in its place in the system32 folder? as retrobar should not be affecting the taskbar animation The classic taskmanager situation is something i do not have unfortunately and im not sure what could be causing the issue there expect start button is bugged when press print button this could be a basic theme issue, As a test, rename the resources folder in the Windows folder to get the classic theme and see if the behaviour persists Also is that theme made for newer versions of windows? it could be why its being weird |
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Post by golddl on Aug 7, 2023 7:37:43 GMT -8
Hi, the program does not seem to work correctly, i start it and it and this happens:  Even tho i have visual C installed and VCRUNTIME140.DLL is in the system32 folder In the end it launches and freezes the desktop and i get this message only viewable by hovering over file explorer  I also ran it with admin but that didnt work either This is on Win10 20H2 |
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Aug 7, 2023 7:42:57 GMT -8
Hi, the program does not seem to work correctly, i start it and it and this happens: Even tho i have visual C installed and VCRUNTIME140.DLL is in the system32 folder In the end it launches and freezes the desktop and i get this message only viewable by hovering over file explorer I also ran it with admin but that didnt work either This is on Win10 20H2 I won't really provide support on this; this version of the project is abandoned. Apart from the Visual C runtime error, the issues you are encountering are known bugs with the method used. |
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