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Post by warprof on May 5, 2021 4:43:23 GMT -8
Create a single tutorial with step-by-step instructions and links to software.
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Post by The Jackal on May 5, 2021 10:48:08 GMT -8
1. Install Classic Theme by using either SimpleClassicTheme or ClassicThemeTray, both were linked to you in your original thread. Both should be easy enough to use, but if you have issues, let us know what they are exactly so we can isolate what it is and help you solve it. 2. Install OpenShell and then switch over to R.O.B.'s classic start menu skin (link in your original thread). You'll need to customize this yourself from OpenShell's Classic Start Menu settings. 3. To change icons, you need to use a resource editor like Resource Hacker or CustomizerGod to edit system files where the icons are stored. I linked to an icon pack in your original thread. You said you're on a newer build of Windows 10; Microsoft recently (last year or so) changed the way icons and resources are stored in Windows itself - I am on an older build of Windows before the change, so I can't help you in regards to where the icons are stored now, but I'm sure someone else will be able to help. 4. If you want a classic taskbar, there are two of them: one included in SimpleClassicTheme, and RetroBar. I included links to both of them in your original thread. Your original thread (which includes links to all those things) for future reference in case anyone else stumbles upon this thread looking for a quick guide: www.winclassic.net/thread/879/create |
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Post by ihatemetro on May 5, 2021 11:04:21 GMT -8
You said you're on a newer build of Windows 10; Microsoft recently (last year or so) changed the way icons and resources are stored in Windows itself - I am on an older build of Windows before the change, so I can't help you in regards to where the icons are stored now, but I'm sure someone else will be able to help. The icon resources are stored in .mun files in C:\Windows\SystemResources. |
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Post by The Jackal on May 5, 2021 12:02:10 GMT -8
You said you're on a newer build of Windows 10; Microsoft recently (last year or so) changed the way icons and resources are stored in Windows itself - I am on an older build of Windows before the change, so I can't help you in regards to where the icons are stored now, but I'm sure someone else will be able to help. The icon resources are stored in .mun files in C:\Windows\SystemResources. Thanks ihatemetro, very much appreciated. |
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Post by katieboundary on May 17, 2021 9:07:49 GMT -8
1. Install Classic Theme by using either SimpleClassicTheme or ClassicThemeTray All right, I just learned two new ways to screw up a Win10 system without getting the Classic theme back. Very funny joke. What's the real solution? |
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Post by leet on May 17, 2021 12:01:00 GMT -8
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Post by katieboundary on May 17, 2021 15:21:12 GMT -8
These themes aren’t the Windows Classic theme that you know and love. They’re the Windows High-Contrast theme with a different color scheme. Thanks. I'll add that to my ever-expanding list of things that don't work. |
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Post by travis on May 17, 2021 15:59:48 GMT -8
These themes aren’t the Windows Classic theme that you know and love. They’re the Windows High-Contrast theme with a different color scheme. Thanks. I'll add that to my ever-expanding list of things that don't work. The only thing I only seen from you in this forum is complain about classic theme not working for you |
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Post by katieboundary on May 17, 2021 16:12:12 GMT -8
Thanks. I'll add that to my ever-expanding list of things that don't work. The only thing I only seen from you in this forum is complain about classic theme not working for you That and I explain specific failure modes of specific tools, often providing screenshots. |
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Post by leet on May 17, 2021 22:04:35 GMT -8
The only thing I only seen from you in this forum is complain about classic theme not working for you That and I explain specific failure modes of specific tools, often providing screenshots. We want to help you. But you must understand a few things: SCT/ClassicThemeTray aren’t shitty pieces of software. Application that do custom frame rendering (ribbons, eg paint or explorer) are shitty. They don’t take classic theme in mind because Windows 10 doesn’t officially support it. There’s solutions for that, but not an all-in-one solution as you seem to wish. The easiest route is picking one of the two and asking for help when something is wrong. If you can’t accept that, I kindly ask you too stop commenting that things are shitty on this forum. |
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Post by katieboundary on May 21, 2021 11:24:17 GMT -8
That and I explain specific failure modes of specific tools, often providing screenshots. We want to help you. But you must understand a few things: SCT/ClassicThemeTray aren’t shitty pieces of software. Application that do custom frame rendering (ribbons, eg paint or explorer) are shitty. They don’t take classic theme in mind because Windows 10 doesn’t officially support it. There’s solutions for that, but not an all-in-one solution as you seem to wish. The easiest route is picking one of the two and asking for help when something is wrong. If you can’t accept that, I kindly ask you too stop commenting that things are shitty on this forum. You and I definitely have different opinions of what "shitty" means. I don't know what you think it means, but in my opinion, a piece of software that does not work as advertised is a strong contender, and a program that does literally the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do, like SCT, is definitely shitty. |
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Post by TechSalt on May 21, 2021 12:10:58 GMT -8
If you complain about other software not working and thinking it is the developer's fault, make your own.
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dirtpiper
New Member
Posts: 9
OS: Windows 10 Home x64
Theme: Skinned to look like Windows 98SE
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Post by dirtpiper on May 21, 2021 12:11:20 GMT -8
Wow, this person definitely sounds like a fun and agreeable individual with many friends who care deeply for them, and a fulfilling lifestyle to boot!
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Post by TechSalt on May 21, 2021 12:17:33 GMT -8
Another thing, you can also just use high contrast + classic colors + classic shell + explorer++ if you REALLY do not want to break your computer. There is no other choice that always works 100% correctly.
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Post by leet on May 21, 2021 12:44:17 GMT -8
You and I definitely have different opinions of what "shitty" means. I don't know what you think it means, but in my opinion, a piece of software that does not work as advertised is a strong contender, and a program that does literally the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do, like SCT, is definitely shitty. I'm not trying to argue with you about what the word 'shitty' means. If used properly SCT is probably the most powerful Classic Theme utility in existence. I'm going to explain what I said again but in a bit more detail. The issues you're getting here are nothing more than application incompatibility issues. What happens when you enable SCT or ClassicThemeTray is that the tool removes all rights to a specific section in memory used for drawing UI from DWM (The part of Windows that draws frames). This way DWM is forced to render Classic Theme because it's the only theme that doesn't require access to that theme handle. The problem is that applications that draw the window frame themselves are expecting visual styles to be enabled. So when they try drawing a frame with visual styles it breaks because they don't know Classic Theme is enabled at all. There are fixes for that, but it's application specific and SCT and ClassicThemeTray both don't fix all of these side cases. About your attitude, I don't like it at all. We (the developers on the forum) provide free software because we like doing what we do and we like people enjoying what we create. But don't put your expectations too high. With FOSS (free open-source software) comes the caveat that it either doesn't always work 100% or that it requires a bit more effort to get set up. SCT falls under both categories and therefore is even licensed under GPLv3. That means that it comes with no warranty whatsoever. If things don't work out for you but it works out for 2000 (2K people downloaded the latest version of SCT and I've only gotten 2 bug reports) other people, you might have to consider that you have done something wrong instead of posting, and I quote, "SCT is a piece of garbage that does absolutely nothing". I'm honestly trying to help you, but you're preventing me from doing so. You've probably broken forum rule 1 (respect each other and be polite) a couple of times now. Consider changing the way you word things so that people don't get upset with you. |
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Post by travis on May 21, 2021 16:17:28 GMT -8
Wow you sound like a person who blames the game instead of your terrible skill at a game
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NovaDelta
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i am me
Posts: 174
OS: Windows 10 22H2
Theme: Unfortunately, 10 theme
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Post by NovaDelta on May 21, 2021 18:39:07 GMT -8
Damn
If you dont like WinClassic so much than just go buy Windowblinds or some shit.
Also If you can't get it working. Don't blame the devs for not being able to keep up with Microsofts incessant need to crush classic theme out of Windows. Blame the infamous code PEBKAC. Error between keyboard and chair.
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Post by The Jackal on May 22, 2021 6:06:40 GMT -8
We want to help you. But you must understand a few things: SCT/ClassicThemeTray aren’t shitty pieces of software. Application that do custom frame rendering (ribbons, eg paint or explorer) are shitty. They don’t take classic theme in mind because Windows 10 doesn’t officially support it. There’s solutions for that, but not an all-in-one solution as you seem to wish. The easiest route is picking one of the two and asking for help when something is wrong. If you can’t accept that, I kindly ask you too stop commenting that things are shitty on this forum. You and I definitely have different opinions of what "shitty" means. I don't know what you think it means, but in my opinion, a piece of software that does not work as advertised is a strong contender, and a program that does literally the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do, like SCT, is definitely shitty. Yeah, I'm done with this. We are trying to help you, but I will not tolerate the way you are acting and treating the members of this community. Lose the attitude. That's your only warning. |
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Post by ihatemetro on May 22, 2021 8:57:13 GMT -8
Wow, this person definitely sounds like a fun and agreeable individual with many friends who care deeply for them, and a fulfilling lifestyle to boot! This is not a good way to measure someone. Not everyone that is "good" has that kind of personality and is an extrovert as well, and not everyone who is "bad" doesn't have that personality and is an introvert. We want to help you. But you must understand a few things: SCT/ClassicThemeTray aren’t shitty pieces of software. Application that do custom frame rendering (ribbons, eg paint or explorer) are shitty. They don’t take classic theme in mind because Windows 10 doesn’t officially support it. There’s solutions for that, but not an all-in-one solution as you seem to wish. The easiest route is picking one of the two and asking for help when something is wrong. If you can’t accept that, I kindly ask you too stop commenting that things are shitty on this forum. You and I definitely have different opinions of what "shitty" means. I don't know what you think it means, but in my opinion, a piece of software that does not work as advertised is a strong contender, and a program that does literally the exact opposite of what it's supposed to do, like SCT, is definitely shitty. Instead of shitting on someone else's software that actually works, maybe think about how you configured it. If you really think it's that bad, then don't use it and use an alternative. It's THAT simple. Also, not everything works as intended. Classic Theme is unsupported on Windows 8+, so there is no reason for M$ to make things compatible anymore. New Style Ribbons, UWP/Metro, etc are all new things introduced in Windows 8+ and are guaranteed to have bugs when using an unsupported configuration. Even DWM off Basic Theme has problems. The people in this forum are constantly trying to work around these problems. If you don't want to configure things, get some "Classic theme" visual style and get out of this forum. |
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Post by katieboundary on Jun 11, 2021 13:58:18 GMT -8
I'm going to explain what I said again but in a bit more detail. The issues you're getting here are nothing more than application incompatibility issues. What happens when you enable SCT or ClassicThemeTray is that the tool removes all rights to a specific section in memory used for drawing UI from DWM (The part of Windows that draws frames). This way DWM is forced to render Classic Theme because it's the only theme that doesn't require access to that theme handle. The problem is that applications that draw the window frame themselves are expecting visual styles to be enabled. So when they try drawing a frame with visual styles it breaks because they don't know Classic Theme is enabled at all. There are fixes for that, but it's application specific and SCT and ClassicThemeTray both don't fix all of these side cases. If you'd like to discuss the issues that I encounter when I use ClassicThemeTray, the place to do that is in the thread about the issues that I encounter when I use ClassicThemeTray. Not here. About your attitude, I don't like it at all. The feeling is mutual. I'm honestly trying to help you The effort does not show. but you're preventing me from doing so. LOL no I'm not. The only thing preventing you from helping me is your own ego and insistence on getting personally offended when someone points out that a thing you made has problems. Wow you sound like a person who blames the game instead of your terrible skill at a game You sound like a person who prefers to make shit up about people rather than acknowledge legitimate problems that they point out. Blame the infamous code PEBKAC. Error between keyboard and chair. The problem is definitely between someone's chair and someone's keyboard. Evidence so far doesn't indicate that it's mine. Yeah, I'm done with this. We are trying to help you, but I will not tolerate the way you are acting and treating the members of this community. Lose the attitude. That's your only warning. Excuse me? Go back and re-read this conversation. Every single personal attack so far - several of which I've quoted in this very post - has been made by other people, directed against me. I have thus far only criticized one piece of software (which, of course, the creator of said software seems to have taken personally) and defended myself against these personal attacks. If you don't want to configure things I never said I didn't want to configure things. This is what's known as a "strawman fallacy" and is usually a sign that someone is more interested in trolling and insulting people than in sincere discussion. EDIT: Actually, this little bit of info right here... just go buy Windowblinds or some shit. ...is the most useful thing I've seen anyone say so far on this thread. Windowblinds offers a free trial and while the website doesn't say anything about a Classic theme, it does explicitly advertise a "Windows 7" look, which I find tolerable enough. I will give it a try and report my findings. |
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