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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 13, 2022 12:29:35 GMT -8
It depends on the application.
Many applications will have an orange menu bar (old Paint, Calculator, task manager, registry editor), it seems to me that most Windows applications that don't come with their own theme settings will have an orange menu bar.
However, not explorer.exe
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 13, 2022 13:09:14 GMT -8
It depends on the application. Many applications will have an orange menu bar (old Paint, Calculator, task manager, registry editor), it seems to me that most Windows applications that don't come with their own theme settings will have an orange menu bar. However, not explorer.exe This does not correspond to what I get, whether in calc, taskmgr, mspaint and regedit. |
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 13, 2022 13:21:47 GMT -8
How can this be?
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 13, 2022 14:37:49 GMT -8
The menu parameter only defines the color of the menu. To define the color of the menu bar, you need the menubar parameter. This appeared with Windows XP ; Before, the menu parameter managed both. This is the case of Taskmgr, Regedit and the majority of Win32 programs. Worse, some poorly written programs automatically use the menubar setting to display the color of the menus, without respecting the system indications. This is for example the case of Visualbasic 5.   |
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 13, 2022 15:55:31 GMT -8
 No, what I meant was how can it be that your registry editor, paint etc. can't be colorized while mine can? But anyway. As far as I know, Windows XP themes came with their own colors that couldn't be modified (probably bitmaps) so there probably won't be any tool which could do what you want.
If I understand you correctly, you would want a tool which can easily change any color that is available for classic themes, right?
So why is it important to change colors that were available in XP themes but not in classic themes (even though I can't think of a color that COULD be changed in an XP theme since the colors were baked into the bitmaps, if I remember that correctly)?
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 14, 2022 2:49:04 GMT -8
View AttachmentNo, what I meant was how can it be that your registry editor, paint etc. can't be colorized while mine can? But anyway. As far as I know, Windows XP themes came with their own colors that couldn't be modified (probably bitmaps) so there probably won't be any tool which could do what you want.
If I understand you correctly, you would want a tool which can easily change any color that is available for classic themes, right?
So why is it important to change colors that were available in XP themes but not in classic themes (even though I can't think of a color that COULD be changed in an XP theme since the colors were baked into the bitmaps, if I remember that correctly)? You didn't understand what I mean. I didn’t like to talk about Windows XP visual style, but color settings that appeared with Windows XP. These parameters are displayed in the classic theme. In fact, classic theme settings for the menu bar cannot be handled in the same way in Windows XP+ as in Windows 2000-. Because new parameters have been added; It is the same principle as the addition of the degraded of the title bar in Windows 98 (compared to Windows 95/NT4). I have indeed talked about the XP visual style, because these parameters had been added because the Windows XP menus always appears in the classic theme, even if the visual style is activated. This is why Microsoft had added additional parameters. In Windows Vista+, these parameters are unusual, because the visual style engine supports the menus (which was not the case with the Windows XP engine); But they still exist in the registry, and this is seen when using the classic theme. However, your screenshot makes me perplex. Which parameter have you changed to change the color of the menu bar? Only menu, or menu AND menubar ? |
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 14, 2022 10:23:57 GMT -8
I chose "Menu"
There is no menu bar entry.
It seems like most applications that come with a "classic" menu will have the menu color applied.
Notepad, registry editor...
But I don't have many applications installed, it's basically a new installation of Windows.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 14, 2022 10:39:32 GMT -8
I chose "Menu" There is no menu bar entry. It seems like most applications that come with a "classic" menu will have the menu color applied. Notepad, registry editor... But I don't have many applications installed, it's basically a new installation of Windows. It's extremely strange. I have the impression that my Windows system does not behave like yours. Because to change the colors of the menu bar in my system (including Notepad and Regedit), I must modify the "menubar" value; If I only modify the "menu" value, it is only the menu (without the menu bar) that is modified). What version of Windows do you use? It may be linked to the version, even if it seems likely. I think that most likely is that I have changed without realizing an unknown parameter (of the same kind as the parameter which allows you to activate or deactivate the gradient of the title bar). Even if I have the impression that my system and always been like that and also the system of my other PC. I will launch a survey on this subject, given the strangeness of the situation. |
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Post by nonameneeded on Jul 14, 2022 10:42:53 GMT -8
I actually use Windows Server 2022, which isn't Windows 10 obviously but which is based on Windows 10 21H2.
I also see no "menu bar" entry in Desktop Architect.
There is only "menu" available.
Which version do you use (mine is version 2.11)
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 14, 2022 11:27:06 GMT -8
I actually use Windows Server 2022, which isn't Windows 10 obviously but which is based on Windows 10 21H2. I also see no "menu bar" entry in Desktop Architect. There is only "menu" available. Which version do you use (mine is version 2.11) In Desktop Architect, the menubar entry does not appear either. It is only in the registry and in SMACC (https://github.com/Superfly-Inc/SMACC) that it appears. |
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Post by daemonspudguy on Jul 29, 2022 11:25:59 GMT -8
I have absolutely no clue what anixx means by "elevated rights." Are they referring to the maximum authorization option? Not that that worked for me, as classic theme still didn't enable with this method.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Jul 29, 2022 11:45:19 GMT -8
I have absolutely no clue what anixx means by "elevated rights." Are they referring to the maximum authorization option? Not that that worked for me, as classic theme still didn't enable with this method. Yes, it is a reference to the maximum authorization option. |
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Post by s34642542 on Sept 3, 2022 9:53:38 GMT -8
I have a question about the "Enable advanced mitigations for correct rendering using classic theme" setting in ExplorerPatcher.
What, specifically, does this do? I can see it changes the taskbar and also adds ClientEdge to the sidebar in Windows Explorer.
My next question is, is there a way to achieve the taskbar edits without using this option? I ask because I happen to like the way the classic theme looked in Windows 7 and am trying to recreate that. RetroBar doesn't have a theme for that (the Vista one is fairly close but I can make it much closer using EP + Taskbow), so I need to use the EP method. However, the classic theme on Windows 7 did not have ClientEdge on the sidebar in Explorer.
Is there a way to "fix" the taskbar without adding ClientEdge to the sidebar? Alternatively, is there a way to remove ClientEdge from the sidebar even after ticking "Enable advanced mitigations for correct rendering using classic theme" in EP?
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Sept 3, 2022 10:57:57 GMT -8
I have a question about the "Enable advanced mitigations for correct rendering using classic theme" setting in ExplorerPatcher. What, specifically, does this do? I can see it changes the taskbar and also adds ClientEdge to the sidebar in Windows Explorer. My next question is, is there a way to achieve the taskbar edits without using this option? I ask because I happen to like the way the classic theme looked in Windows 7 and am trying to recreate that. RetroBar doesn't have a theme for that (the Vista one is fairly close but I can make it much closer using EP + Taskbow), so I need to use the EP method. However, the classic theme on Windows 7 did not have ClientEdge on the sidebar in Explorer. Is there a way to "fix" the taskbar without adding ClientEdge to the sidebar? Alternatively, is there a way to remove ClientEdge from the sidebar even after ticking "Enable advanced mitigations for correct rendering using classic theme" in EP? Hello, I have the same problem. For the ClientEdge, I think you have to ask Valinet to separate the two options. For the classic Windows 7 style taskbar, I have the same problem as you with the buttons being too large, and other users have had the same problem ( www.winclassic.net/post/9508/thread www.winclassic.net/post/10333/thread ). I reported the problem to Valinet : github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/discussions/900 github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/discussions/1072However, he did not want to do more research than that on this subject. It is currently possible to contact Valinet via this forum (I will try to do so soon) : www.elevenforum.com/t/new-version-of-explorerpatcher.1991/page-44I will also try to contact the developers of Open-Shell, since Valinet had modified the DLL of open shell to force Open-Shell to display the 3D-ButtonFace colors on the taskbar. |
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Post by anixx on Sept 3, 2022 13:30:24 GMT -8
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Post by s34642542 on Sept 3, 2022 21:18:07 GMT -8
The sidebar is on the left hand side of Explorer, with the folders listed.
Thank you for posting this script - it fixed the problem for me.
Contacting Valinet around separating the taskbar and ClientEdge options is probably a good idea for a more permanent solution though. I will try asking in that thread later today.
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Post by winxp2k on Oct 21, 2022 18:01:22 GMT -8
Is there any alternative to TaskbowFree. The program is awful. And lags my system with 100% cpu usage every time i click my taskbar Edit: preferably with more accurate 3d buttons, with dithering while pressed. like in windows 98, or not possible?  |
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Post by ayylmao on Oct 23, 2022 20:06:14 GMT -8
Can anyone share with me if they have any experiance using this themes changes on a surface pro? I want this theme but I notice a lot of changes to make menus look authentic in what information and buttons are available, and while that would be fine and usable on PC I'm not sure its a great thing to do for my surface. I don't mind if my task bar, start menu, context menus, windows, etc, have ribbons and other useful things in them that are modern, I just want the flat color 3d borders and desktop.cpl like ability to color them how I like just as I did as a kid. right now I use my desktop in an unholy combination of Explorer patcher, winclassic, and classic/openshell, as well as a few other tweaks. Believe me its the only way i got anything working on 10. But despite that, I kept the simple icons on the bottom, as well as the larger size of the task bar. I prefer it this way on my larger monitor and the buttons do not look as nice on the task bar but its less crowded. Anybody have any experiance here or advice? My surface uses 11 so this method should be even easier, but I dont really want to make permanent registry edits that will permanently break my surfaces context menus or make it so that it has trouble doing anything important |
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Post by nonameneeded on Oct 23, 2022 20:56:14 GMT -8
You don't need to remove the ribbons etc. but I'm afraid it's not possible to use the classic theme with the normal Windows 10 taskbar.
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Post by anixx on Oct 23, 2022 23:48:45 GMT -8
You don't need to remove the ribbons etc. but I'm afraid it's not possible to use the classic theme with the normal Windows 10 taskbar. This exactly tutorial tells how to use classic theme with Windows 10 taskbar, read the first post in this thread. |
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