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Post by R.O.B. on Apr 11, 2017 13:38:39 GMT -8
Today, April 11, 2017, Microsoft has officially ended extended support for Windows Vista.
In many ways, Vista was the first "modern" Windows OS. While it did remove a lot of aspects of the Windows UI that were standard all the way up through XP, it also brought plenty of new, good changes.
Critically Windows Vista was received poorly, mainly due to bad hardware support upon release, making it very slow/unstable compared to Windows XP. UAC was also an annoyance for users just coming from Windows XP. Earlier releases were also known to be buggy, but most of these issues were fixed with SP1 and especially with SP2.
Personally, I don't think Vista was that bad. I think there were major problems with it when it was first released, but many of these problems have been fixed by now, or they can at least be avoided. The main gripes I have with Vista are actually the removal of some classic Windows features that were included with Windows XP, especially in regards to customization.
Also Vista Aero is best Aero.
So what does everyone here think of Windows Vista? Do you love it or do you hate it? Do you have any memories using it? Do you think it deserved the bad reputation it gets?
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Post by Splitwirez on Apr 12, 2017 3:28:22 GMT -8
If anyone says "The wow ends now", they can expect to be torn to shreds. Combined with Start9's continued Vista support, that should give you a sense of how I feel about Vista.
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Post by anixx on Apr 12, 2017 9:25:05 GMT -8
Vista was the worst Windows disaster compared to the previous version. And the first version clearly worse than the previous one.
This is mainly due to handicapped file manager: not removable navigation bar, not available 32px icons, not remembered windows positions, idiotic not removable command bar, thick status bar, non-classic tree view, non-disableable folder thumbnails, idiotic file open/save dialogs, removed Client Edge everywhere.
Also, such minor things like Network Indicator and the like.
The only improvements in Vista were the icon theme (better than XP's) and UAC (although it reportedly worked bad).
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Post by R.O.B. on Apr 12, 2017 16:07:06 GMT -8
Vista was the worst Windows disaster compared to the previous version. And the first version clearly worse than the previous one. This is mainly due to handicapped file manager: not removable navigation bar, not available 32px icons, not remembered windows positions, idiotic not removable command bar, thick status bar, non-classic tree view, non-disableable folder thumbnails, idiotic file open/save dialogs, removed Client Edge everywhere. Also, such minor things like Network Indicator and the like. The only improvements in Vista were the icon theme (better than XP's) and UAC (although it reportedly worked bad). I do agree with a lot of that, but there were still a lot of good things Vista introduced. - The volume control on Vista is undoubtedly better than XP's. The ability to control the volume of individual applications is simply a wonderful feature. I use XP on my main laptop, and I keep forgetting I don't have this feature. - Vista's Task Scheduler is miles ahead of XP's, providing many more options for creating scheduled tasks. The only real issue I have with it is it's easy to lose track of certain tasks compared to XP, as it has many different folders. - Vista also greatly improved on security. Like you said, UAC was a good security feature, even if its frequency quickly became annoying for users (Windows 7 fixed this issue by giving you options to control how often UAC will prompt the user). - As much as I love the Windows 2000-style classic login screen, Vista's login process is more secure with features like Session 0 isolation. (regardless, I'd still like replacement LogonUI.exe that gives you a login screen that LOOKS like the classic Win2k one, but done using the Vista+ login process). - Windows Update was also superior to XP's, as you had all the advanced options for unhiding updates and such it right there instead of having to open Internet Explorer to do it like you did in XP. - The shell folder layout is more intuitive than XP's. For example, the user profile folder is actually put to good use in Vista, and stuff like Pictures and Music are no longer thrown into "My Documents". The Application Data/AppData folders are also more organized in Vista, so you can access the Local and Roaming AppData folders easily. GRANTED, this behavior can be re-created in Windows XP and even Windows 2000, but it takes a lot of work just to set up (still, I tend to take the time to set up my 2000/XP/2003 machines this way). - Vista introduced DWM. It could be disabled if the user wanted to do so. Enough said. Now when it comes to things like the file manager, I actually do agree with more or less everything you said. But even with all that, it did bring some improvements. Even if you don't use it, it is nice to be able to resize icons to just about whatever size you'd like under 256x256px for each folder. The only real issue I have with it is, like you mentioned, the removal of the classic behavior for 32x32px icons. That is something that I really dislike. Another positive with Vista's file manager are the added keyboard shortcuts, such as Alt+Up (which can be added to XP with AutoHotKey). I also like how backspace actually brings you back to the previous directory instead of 'up' a directory, but to be fair, that's more my own personal taste than it is anything else. As for stuff like the command bar and the NavBar and the TreeView? Yeeeaaaaaaaah, the removal of customizable features like that is one of the worst things about Vista for me. And unfortunately, a lot of that can be seen in the file manager. Oh, and don't get me started on those damn folder thumbnails. Such an annoying 'feature'! I mean I'd be okay with it if it was only for icon sizes that were, say, 96x96 or higher (which was pretty much Windows 2000/XP's behavior) or even 64x64px or 72x72px. But on 48x48px and 32x32px icons, it's borderline pointless. The only thumbnails that are good at those sizes are file thumbnails (such as for pictures, videos, etc.) but certainly not on folders. And I hate how it's 'all or nothing' with thumbnails too. Something like that should really be controlled by the user. I'm okay with changes. Really, I am. But only as long as the user is given the choice to customize/change things the way they want. And one change I'm almost never okay with is the removal of customization. XP handled its changes really well, allowing the user to use an interface that's close to identical to Windows 2000, or even Windows 95. Vista was the first version of Windows that didn't allow for this, and unfortunately Windows has only become less customizable since then with every new release. Vista did improve on many things, but it also took a lot of steps back in many areas too. You can say that Vista was the "beginning of the end" in terms of quality for Windows if you'd like. But I still like to recognize the good things as well as the bad. Overall, I really don't think Vista is a terrible OS. I'm just not a fan of the removal of customization.
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Post by anixx on Apr 13, 2017 10:10:47 GMT -8
> Vista's Task Scheduler is miles ahead of XP's, providing many more options for creating scheduled tasks. The only real issue I have with it is it's easy to lose track of certain tasks compared to XP, as it has many different folders.
XP's task sheduler is way easier to use.
> Vista introduced DWM. It could be disabled if the user wanted to do so. Enough said.
On XP I had no-tearing mode. If I remember correctly it should be enabled in Nvidia control panel tab though. I have no other use for DWM except removing tearing. And XP's no-tearing mode worked more smoothly, especially when resizing windows (no black zones for example).
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Post by 6sicsix on Apr 13, 2017 10:15:46 GMT -8
Totally agree with you anixx
I can't vouch for vista, but when you drag an icon in classic theme on xp you see a transparent icon under the mouse cursor (or group of icons if you multi-selected).
If you do the same in 7 you see a little rectangle instead of the icon.
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Post by R.O.B. on Apr 13, 2017 12:39:45 GMT -8
XP's task sheduler is way easier to use. Fair enough. It was much simpler to be able to see everything in one place. I was more referring to all the new options you have with Vista's Task Scheduler compared to XP, especially in regards to running things interactively (which can still be done on XP, but it has to be done through CMD). Also, I can't seem to get tasks to work when the computer is locked on XP, which can be quite a problem in some cases. On XP I had no-tearing mode. If I remember correctly it should be enabled in Nvidia control panel tab though. I have no other use for DWM except removing tearing. And XP's no-tearing mode worked more smoothly, especially when resizing windows (no black zones for example). Hmm, that is a good point. But I'm pretty sure that also depends on your hardware as well. I've seen tearing on XP, but mostly on poor hardware (like on my old Pentium 4 machine with 256MB RAM). But something like my laptop almost never has tearing, so I am pretty sure that is more hardware dependent. And speaking of which, that's another thing that's worth mentioning: XP does seem to run better on older hardware.
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Post by powerplayer on Apr 15, 2017 16:06:15 GMT -8
omg they ended vista support i will cry myself to sleep every night now ..
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Post by skeleton11223 on Jun 17, 2017 13:55:32 GMT -8
I don't get why people complain about features that can easily be disabled, it takes like 20 seconds to go on google and search up "how to disable UAC". Or you could just search through the control panel.
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Post by rancorx2 on Jan 29, 2018 8:45:39 GMT -8
I liked vista, however 7 was clearly an improvement, 8.x a step back and then 10 a step forward but with more bloat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 12:41:15 GMT -8
vista wasn't so bad, iv'e been used this OS since 2007 and nowdays, vista still works fine but ms recommends windows 10, but i will never use windows 10
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Post by windowsfan88888 on Mar 17, 2023 4:59:44 GMT -8
If You Take a Look at My Desktop, You Could Say "The WOW Starts Again"Attachments:
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Post by vistalover07 on Mar 26, 2023 4:07:14 GMT -8
I like Vista and think thats would be great if it was released in it`s current state (but with updates and support) in 2023. I think that Vista was released in wrong time and thats why people disliked it (but still they can just make people use it)
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Post by NanamiMadobe on Jul 27, 2024 20:48:40 GMT -8
> Vista's Task Scheduler is miles ahead of XP's, providing many more options for creating scheduled tasks. The only real issue I have with it is it's easy to lose track of certain tasks compared to XP, as it has many different folders. XP's task sheduler is way easier to use. > Vista introduced DWM. It could be disabled if the user wanted to do so. Enough said. On XP I had no-tearing mode. If I remember correctly it should be enabled in Nvidia control panel tab though. I have no other use for DWM except removing tearing. And XP's no-tearing mode worked more smoothly, especially when resizing windows (no black zones for example). At least Windows Vista is still better compared to what we currently have *cough* *cough* Windows 11.
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Post by R.O.B. on Jul 27, 2024 21:37:37 GMT -8
Please don't make unnecessary necroposts.
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