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Post by Windows User on Aug 6, 2024 12:41:48 GMT -8
That's good ( The Jackal feel free to lock this thread) Why would this thread be locked? It does not violate forum rules.
UV7 Thank you for further information JK |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Aug 6, 2024 12:44:54 GMT -8
Could you be more specific? I don't understand the message at all. |
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Post by Windows User on Aug 6, 2024 12:45:47 GMT -8
Could you be more specific? I don't understand the message at all. JK means Just kidding |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Aug 6, 2024 12:47:08 GMT -8
Thank you, I understand better; English is not my native language. |
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Post by The Jackal on Aug 6, 2024 14:18:04 GMT -8
I suspect, it will be WatsApp this time that will force mo to upgrade.
The WhatsApp app is really bad, it's a shame there is no third party client like there is for Discord. <-- What I use. Has it's limitations, but does the job. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Aug 6, 2024 15:14:06 GMT -8
Thank you very much! I just tested it, it's still an Electron application, but it works, and, although there is no classic theme, the system colors seem better supported than in the UWP version. |
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Aug 12, 2024 2:18:37 GMT -8
As I mentioned on another thread, a few months ago, Windows 10 was still at almost 70% market share.
Many people are not fooled by the Windows 11 scam - which is twofold -.
Today, desktop computers are progressing less quickly than before, Moore's laws seem to be reaching their limits for certain uses. As a result, consumers (individuals and businesses) are buying fewer new PCs. Manufacturers are aware of this, it is very likely that the artificial limitations concerning the Windows 11 installation (such as the presence of TPM 2.0) are there to boost manufacturers, while being advantageous for Microsoft. Many consumers do not seem to be fooled by this, and refuse to get rid of a working PC, with sufficient performance for their use. Many are also aware that Windows 11 adds nothing, or even degrades the software experience, because many seem to have a PC that can officially upgrade to WIndows 11, but do not; others are aware that it is entirely possible to install WIndows 11 without TPM or other things like that, but don't do it. On a more marginal note, the progression of GNU/Linux has never been so high, it reached 4% market share, probably for the same reason. In the future, Microsoft has several possibilities: - Continue its current policy, letting Windows 11 (then 12) progress slowly with the purchase of new PCs. But they risk (rightly) receiving serious criticism for leaving millions of PCs without a security update. If a large-scale cyberattack occurs because of this, Microsoft risks having to be held accountable. - Hurry to release Windows 12 by backpedaling on certain hardware requirements, even if it means letting go of your concern for manufacturers' sales, and for user control (because TPM, SecureBoot and others deprive the user of their freedom to use his computer as he wishes). This will increase updates a lot, but there will still be users who don't update at all. These last two hypotheses are possible, but much less probable than the two previous ones: - Continue its current policy but worse, by releasing a new version of Windows 11 or Windows 12 with a subscription policy. I don't think they do this, because it's the best way to encourage users not to update Windows, to switch to Linux and not to buy a new PC. - Gradually transition Windows to open-source, moving to Google's business model with Android, and with a subscription policy. This is likely because it is very risky for Microsoft; Unlike the extremely closed and anti-user ARM/Android hardware ecosystem, the AMD64/PC hardware ecosystem is open and more user-friendly. Of course, manufacturers are doing everything to make it resemble the mobile ecosystem, but so far they have not succeeded. Especially since there are more and more small manufacturers installing their own bootloaders. As a result, Microsoft risks ending up with many "demicrosoftized" Windows where the developers' only task will be to find replacements for Microsoft services that are not open-source (which is largely feasible). |
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Post by vindasal on Aug 12, 2024 2:39:59 GMT -8
I think Microsoft is full-speed ahead recklessly trashing Windows 10, if 70% of PCs are using it, too bad. They don't care at all about users.
What is perhaps telling, and I haven't seen many mention this:
Windows 10 EOL (unless Windows 12 comes out within the next 14 months) will be the very first time in 38 years that there is only a singular Windows version in active support. Just the current. Usually there would be two to four versions concurrently supported at any given time, but we've winnowed down to just one. Insultingly it happens to be the one with the most strict unnecessary hardware requirements too. Windows 7 would install on an original 586 Pentium with no tweaks required, incidentally. When you see 2015-2025 as the support years it seems reasonable, but when that's just shy of 4 years after the OS was the absolute newest, it becomes less so. 22H2 is not the same as 1507.
There is slim possibility that 12 is released in 2025 and pulls the TPM requirement, but it would be a massive admission of their blunder. It happened before with the return of the Start menu though, but MS of today isn't even the same as it was in 2013-2015.
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Aug 12, 2024 3:46:06 GMT -8
I think Microsoft is full-speed ahead recklessly trashing Windows 10, if 70% of PCs are using it, too bad. They don't care at all about users. What is perhaps telling, and I haven't seen many mention this: Windows 10 EOL (unless Windows 12 comes out within the next 14 months) will be the very first time in 38 years that there is only a singular Windows version in active support. Just the current. Usually there would be two to four versions concurrently supported at any given time, but we've winnowed down to just one. Insultingly it happens to be the one with the most strict unnecessary hardware requirements too. Windows 7 would install on an original 586 Pentium with no tweaks required, incidentally. When you see 2015-2025 as the support years it seems reasonable, but when that's just shy of 4 years after the OS was the absolute newest, it becomes less so. 22H2 is not the same as 1507. There is slim possibility that 12 is released in 2025 and pulls the TPM requirement, but it would be a massive admission of their blunder. It happened before with the return of the Start menu though, but MS of today isn't even the same as it was in 2013-2015. In any case, Microsoft's backpedaling in Windows 10 was not one. The Windows 10 start menu is not a start menu, but a reduced-size start screen. And there were quickly many more metrofied elements in Windows 10 than in Windows 8.
I agree, that Microsoft is just continuing its current policy seems most likely to me. But they clearly missed their target with Windows 11 (and the manufacturers too). There is still the possibility that a massive attack will occur on millions of computers equipped with Windows 10 without security updates, and that Microsoft will be held legally responsible.
On the other hand, this is not the first time that only the latest version will be supported, this was already the case between the end of support for Windows 8.1 and the release of Windows 11 (I think). Afterwards, the TPM requirement and others like it are actually fake, Windows 11 works just fine without it. It's really a requirement for the benefit of manufacturers.
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Post by vindasal on Aug 12, 2024 14:52:16 GMT -8
I think Microsoft is full-speed ahead recklessly trashing Windows 10, if 70% of PCs are using it, too bad. They don't care at all about users. What is perhaps telling, and I haven't seen many mention this: Windows 10 EOL (unless Windows 12 comes out within the next 14 months) will be the very first time in 38 years that there is only a singular Windows version in active support. Just the current. Usually there would be two to four versions concurrently supported at any given time, but we've winnowed down to just one. Insultingly it happens to be the one with the most strict unnecessary hardware requirements too. Windows 7 would install on an original 586 Pentium with no tweaks required, incidentally. When you see 2015-2025 as the support years it seems reasonable, but when that's just shy of 4 years after the OS was the absolute newest, it becomes less so. 22H2 is not the same as 1507. There is slim possibility that 12 is released in 2025 and pulls the TPM requirement, but it would be a massive admission of their blunder. It happened before with the return of the Start menu though, but MS of today isn't even the same as it was in 2013-2015. In any case, Microsoft's backpedaling in Windows 10 was not one. The Windows 10 start menu is not a start menu, but a reduced-size start screen. And there were quickly many more metrofied elements in Windows 10 than in Windows 8.
I agree, that Microsoft is just continuing its current policy seems most likely to me. But they clearly missed their target with Windows 11 (and the manufacturers too). There is still the possibility that a massive attack will occur on millions of computers equipped with Windows 10 without security updates, and that Microsoft will be held legally responsible.
On the other hand, this is not the first time that only the latest version will be supported, this was already the case between the end of support for Windows 8.1 and the release of Windows 11 (I think). Afterwards, the TPM requirement and others like it are actually fake, Windows 11 works just fine without it. It's really a requirement for the benefit of manufacturers.
Windows 8.1 support ended in January 2023, about 15 months after Win11 release. Certainly the TPM requirement is bogus, but they can also release an update that breaks unsupported hardware, they already did this with 24H2 and SSE4.2/4a. Maybe they had a reason in that case, but I find it hard to trust MS to maintain these unsupported systems even if they should work fine.
I had forgotten just how useless the Windows 10 start menu was until I installed a 22H2 VM yesterday. Yet people on Reddit clamor for it, saying it's the best version of the start menu ever. Might as well just be a search box. Pins already exist in taskbar. At least Windows 10 is the last version with usable taskbar workflows for what it's worth.
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Post by enderboy on Aug 14, 2024 2:47:21 GMT -8
Why would this thread be locked? It does not violate forum rules.
UV7 Thank you for further information JK You can’t joke ping a moderator, my patience is about to be lost with you |
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Post by The Jackal on Aug 14, 2024 4:13:08 GMT -8
You can’t joke ping a moderator, my patience is about to be lost with you Don't say you weren't warned. 1 day temp ban.
EDIT: Reduced to 1 day temp ban.
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