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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 17, 2024 19:43:47 GMT -8
Aside from abandoned older email clients, these are the only modern ones I know of that still look pretty old
Pegasus mail looks more early 90's to early 2000's, but it's still updated and works fine with gmail
Seamonkey out of the box uses the default windows theme, and there's probably an aero theme floating around but I always liked this one
I personally use Thunderbird, and am working on some custom css skins for it including OE3, OE4, OE5, OE6, Windows mail, and Windows Live mail Oh yes I'd be very interested in accurate OE skins for Thunderbird. I am still using OE6 now but I don't think it supports that new sign-in method that Outlook is switching to and I fear Gmail and other providers will follow suit soon. What new sign-in method?
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Post by OrthodoxWin32 on Aug 18, 2024 3:40:21 GMT -8
Becky! looks awesome, however I saw this on the site:
Does this mean that it is no longer possible to purchase a license?
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Post by aldon on Aug 18, 2024 8:17:22 GMT -8
English version can be used under Japanese version's license. But to be sure how to purchase, please write to Becky!'s author - Carty: www.rimarts.co.jp/rimarts.htm
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Post by emiya on Aug 19, 2024 1:13:55 GMT -8
Sylpheed is pretty good, has a nice old-school UI and works with most modern email services. (at least on the latest beta version which is what I am using) I believe the aforementioned Claws Mail originally started out as a fork of Sylpheed.
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Post by aldon on Aug 19, 2024 2:22:16 GMT -8
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 19, 2024 5:18:47 GMT -8
What most e-mail clients can't do is not to download mails that meet certain criteria, like, everything that has the word "blabla" in it should not be downloaded. With Outlook Express and Windows Mail you can do that. Other e-mail clients have configurable rules too, of course, but no way to prevent the mails from being downloaded in the first place.
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Post by malcolm on Aug 19, 2024 5:44:53 GMT -8
Oh yes I'd be very interested in accurate OE skins for Thunderbird. I am still using OE6 now but I don't think it supports that new sign-in method that Outlook is switching to and I fear Gmail and other providers will follow suit soon. What new sign-in method?
I don't know what it is. I'll look it up again. I got this Email. "The safety and security of your information is top priority for Microsoft. To help keep your account secure, Microsoft will no longer support the use of third-party email and calendar apps which ask you to sign in with only your Microsoft Account username and password. To keep you safe you will need to use a mail or calendar app which supports Microsoft’s modern authentication methods. If you do not act, your third-party email apps will no longer be able to access your Outlook.com, Hotmail or Live.com email address on September 16th".
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Post by aldon on Aug 19, 2024 7:10:59 GMT -8
"The safety and security of your information is top priority for Microsoft. To help keep your account secure, Microsoft will no longer support the use of third-party email and calendar apps which ask you to sign in with only your Microsoft Account username and password. To keep you safe you will need to use a mail or calendar app which supports Microsoft’s modern authentication methods. If you do not act, your third-party email apps will no longer be able to access your Outlook.com, Hotmail or Live.com email address on September 16th". Fake or "LOL but true"
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 19, 2024 10:42:00 GMT -8
"The safety and security of your information is top priority for Microsoft. To help keep your account secure, Microsoft will no longer support the use of third-party email and calendar apps which ask you to sign in with only your Microsoft Account username and password. To keep you safe you will need to use a mail or calendar app which supports Microsoft’s modern authentication methods. If you do not act, your third-party email apps will no longer be able to access your Outlook.com, Hotmail or Live.com email address on September 16th". Fake or "LOL but true" Ok but that shouldn't be a problem. Sounds like they mean an additional method to verify that it's really your account. Normally this can be accomplished by requesting an additional password which will only work for your e-mail client application.
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Post by malcolm on Aug 19, 2024 10:56:37 GMT -8
I found this somewhere. 'Outlook.com, Hotmail, and Live.com users will need to access their email accounts through apps using Modern Authentication starting on September 16th. Support for third-party email apps that don’t use Microsoft’s own login prompt will end later this year. “Microsoft will no longer support Basic Auth, the method in which a person provides only their username and password to sign into their account,” says David Los, partner group product manager for Outlook, in a blog post.
You might need to remove and re-add your Outlook account in some email apps
The latest versions of Outlook, Apple Mail, and Thunderbird will all support these changes, so this will largely affect any app that hasn’t been updated to support “Modern Auth,” as Microsoft calls it. “With Modern Authentication methods we apply additional backend process/tokens that users may not notice that add an extra layer of security,” explains Los.'
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 19, 2024 11:46:17 GMT -8
What I mean is called "2-factor authentication"
I don't know if Modern Auth is the same...
But if it is, it should work with older e-mail clients as well.
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Post by malcolm on Aug 24, 2024 4:33:44 GMT -8
I don't think it is that. It must be something else. How would 2 fact auth work anyway? How would something like OE6 give you the prompt to type in the code?
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 25, 2024 11:41:30 GMT -8
The way it works is that the e-mail provider will let you create a separate password for every application, e.g. you have your normal password for your e-mail account and one additional password for OE6. This password will only work with OE6 (and you enter it where you would normally enter the password in your account's settings). That's how it's usually done with older applications.
And it's been working properly for several years now.
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Post by malcolm on Aug 26, 2024 12:02:37 GMT -8
But it clearly says that all older software will no longer work so it has to be something else.
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Post by malcolm on Aug 26, 2024 12:08:59 GMT -8
Also, ' If your Outlook is configured to connect to Outlook.com using POP or IMAP, Modern Authentication is not supported. This means that when Basic Authentication is fully deprecated, it will no longer connect. For this scenario, you have a few options:' I am using those in OE6.
Also, 'The following versions of Outlook Desktop do not support Modern Authentication for Outlook.com: Outlook 2007, Outlook 2010, Outlook 2013, Outlook 2016 MSI, Outlook 2019 LTSC. Any release of Outlook Desktop with a version less than 11601.10000 does not support Modern Authentication for Outlook.com.' Ooutlook Express is way way older than those!
Also, 'It’s more about the method your email client uses to connect to the server. If you’re using Outlook for Windows, it supports Modern Authentication in all current Microsoft 365 subscription SKUs and Outlook 2021 LTSC (any SKU with build 11601.10000 or higher) when connecting directly as Outlook.com. If your Outlook is configured to connect to Outlook.com using POP or IMAP, Modern Authentication is not supported. '
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 26, 2024 18:08:54 GMT -8
I tried to create an e-mail account on outlook.de but it's completely fucked up and a useless piece of shit... In order to get to the forwarding and pop3 settings you have to log in again which doesn't work because they send you an e-mail with a link that you have to click on and they send it to your new outlook address which you can't access at the time because you can't go back to the previous page and if you open a new page and try to log in it doesn't work because you need more security codes and other bullshit. Now my new account is seemingly blocked for 30 days and whatnot... Anyway... Given what a useless piece of crap outlook is, the best idea would probably be to forget about the outlook e-mail address entirely and simply use forwarding to another e-mail address which shouldn't require any modern authentication shit and then just don't use the outlook e-mail address anymore. The thing is, they will probably make it very difficult for any e-mail application that isn't their own product (even though OE IS their own product, it's too old) so better stay away from it.
But that's just my personal opinion...
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 26, 2024 20:13:41 GMT -8
P.S. You're right that modern authentication and app passwords aren't the same. But outlook seems to be the only provider that I could find that doesn't allow app passwords. GMail allows app passwords and so does yahoo and there is no indication that they will stop allowing app passwords anytime soon.
So if you can live without the ability to send e-mails from your e-mail client (using your outlook address) and you're fine with just receiving e-mails from your outlook address (by forwarding e-mails to another e-mail address) you could still use old e-mail clients.
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Post by malcolm on Aug 27, 2024 14:11:05 GMT -8
I am not particularly attached to my Outlook address it's just that I am sure Gmail and other providers will make the change at some point. That's always been the way with these things in the past. Eventually they will all follow suit.
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 27, 2024 16:47:19 GMT -8
I just found this thread here: answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/are-app-passwords-being-discontinued/0030efe5-87fa-48d5-b14c-16f355ebb5faInterestingly, it is stated that outgoing e-mails will still work even with outlook. It's the incoming e-mails that will no longer work with app passwords. And as I said above, you could simply forward your outlook e-mails to another e-mail address and therefore still receive them in OE and sending e-mails should still work with app passwords. But yes, eventually all app passwords will cease to work. But as of now there is no indication that this will happen very soon.
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Post by nonameneeded on Aug 28, 2024 16:22:31 GMT -8
I just found something that could solve Modern Authentication problems with older e-mail client applications. It's a service that needs to be installed and then it kind of takes over the OAuth crap and you can still use old e-mail clients. Setting this stuff up doesn't really sound like a whole lot of fun but as long as it works... www.emailarchitect.net/eaoauth/kb/use_oauth_service.aspxThe bad thing is that it's apparently not free of charge but I couldn't find a price.
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