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Post by mysteriouswin10user on Nov 24, 2024 12:41:40 GMT -8
Since Windows 11 has set Windows customization back by what probably feels like a century I think it would be helpful to have a full list of everything that you could customize on Windows 10 and below that you can't on Windows 11 including what version broke what. We could update this over time to get an idea of how far we've caught up. Also, will Win11 ever catch up to where Win10 is now or are we always going to be further behind?
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Post by anixx on Nov 24, 2024 13:11:03 GMT -8
Since Windows 11 has set Windows customization back by what probably feels like a century I think it would be helpful to have a full list of everything that you could customize on Windows 10 and below that you can't on Windows 11 including what version broke what. We could update this over time to get an idea of how far we've caught up. Also, will Win11 ever catch up to where Win10 is now or are we always going to be further behind? For use with a classic theme, Win11 23H2 and earlier is as good as Win10, provided that all the appropriate Windhawk mods are installed.
Windows 11 24H2 removed the classic taskbar and the classic Alt+Tab dialog. These are the things Windows 11 really broke.
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Post by mysteriouswin10user on Nov 24, 2024 13:18:32 GMT -8
Since Windows 11 has set Windows customization back by what probably feels like a century I think it would be helpful to have a full list of everything that you could customize on Windows 10 and below that you can't on Windows 11 including what version broke what. We could update this over time to get an idea of how far we've caught up. Also, will Win11 ever catch up to where Win10 is now or are we always going to be further behind? For use with a classic theme, Win11 23H2 and earlier is as good as Win10, provided that all the appropriate Windhawk mods are installed.
Windows 11 24H2 removed the classic taskbar and the classic Alt+Tab dialog. These are the things Windows 11 really broke.
Isn't theming for the most part much more limited now as well? |
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Post by anixx on Nov 24, 2024 14:25:46 GMT -8
For use with a classic theme, Win11 23H2 and earlier is as good as Win10, provided that all the appropriate Windhawk mods are installed.
Windows 11 24H2 removed the classic taskbar and the classic Alt+Tab dialog. These are the things Windows 11 really broke.
Isn't theming for the most part much more limited now as well? I think, with the older taskbar it is the same as on Win10. With the new taskbar, yes, limited. |
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Post by tselim on Nov 24, 2024 14:34:58 GMT -8
Windows 11 also broke the non-immersive context menu for windows 10 themes
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Post by Sennanon on Nov 24, 2024 15:09:13 GMT -8
Since Windows 11 has set Windows customization back by what probably feels like a century I think it would be helpful to have a full list of everything that you could customize on Windows 10 and below that you can't on Windows 11 including what version broke what. We could update this over time to get an idea of how far we've caught up. Also, will Win11 ever catch up to where Win10 is now or are we always going to be further behind? For use with a classic theme, Win11 23H2 and earlier is as good as Win10, provided that all the appropriate Windhawk mods are installed.
Windows 11 24H2 removed the classic taskbar and the classic Alt+Tab dialog. These are the things Windows 11 really broke.
This isn't exactly a solution but could a possible work-around be the xp-era alt-tab powertoy? I'm not sure if it works on 11, but it works with themes + the classic theme
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Nov 24, 2024 15:10:42 GMT -8
For use with a classic theme, Win11 23H2 and earlier is as good as Win10, provided that all the appropriate Windhawk mods are installed.
Windows 11 24H2 removed the classic taskbar and the classic Alt+Tab dialog. These are the things Windows 11 really broke.
This isn't exactly a solution but could a possible work-around be the xp-era alt-tab powertoy? I'm not sure if it works on 11, but it works with themes + the classic theme
A similar thing could be created that specifically imitates the classic theme look. Valinet also has a reference project which implements a custom alt+tab UI. |
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Post by mysteriouswin10user on Nov 24, 2024 15:15:20 GMT -8
Couldn't most removed features be recreated from scratch if anyone were bothered?
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Post by Sennanon on Nov 24, 2024 15:22:49 GMT -8
This isn't exactly a solution but could a possible work-around be the xp-era alt-tab powertoy? I'm not sure if it works on 11, but it works with themes + the classic theme
A similar thing could be created that specifically imitates the classic theme look. Valinet also has a reference project which implements a custom alt+tab UI. That sounds interesting, from a google search it sounds like simple window switcher replicates 10's ui pretty well, so hopefully will see an nt style someday.
Although now that I've been thinking about it, how exactly is the nt window switcher handled? Since it appears when explorer isn't running I'm guessing it's tied to something else
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Nov 24, 2024 15:31:54 GMT -8
A similar thing could be created that specifically imitates the classic theme look. Valinet also has a reference project which implements a custom alt+tab UI. That sounds interesting, from a google search it sounds like simple window switcher replicates 10's ui pretty well, so hopefully will see an nt style someday.
Although now that I've been thinking about it, how exactly is the nt window switcher handled? Since it appears when explorer isn't running I'm guessing it's tied to something else
"NT" window switcher is implemented into win32k.sys, the kernel driver which implements the Windows User environment and GDI. |
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Post by mysteriouswin10user on Nov 24, 2024 15:35:51 GMT -8
Since 24H2 has axed the ability to enable the classic theme how you normally would I wonder if the theme itself will ever be entirely removed if that's even possible
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Post by Sennanon on Nov 24, 2024 15:50:10 GMT -8
That sounds interesting, from a google search it sounds like simple window switcher replicates 10's ui pretty well, so hopefully will see an nt style someday.
Although now that I've been thinking about it, how exactly is the nt window switcher handled? Since it appears when explorer isn't running I'm guessing it's tied to something else
"NT" window switcher is implemented into win32k.sys, the kernel driver which implements the Windows User environment and GDI. I see, trying to restore it would be too risky if not impossible, I'm not sure if the explorer patcher developers already have some of this stuff in mind, but I hope they'll consider classic theme compatibility since ep already covers so much |
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Nov 24, 2024 18:36:19 GMT -8
"NT" window switcher is implemented into win32k.sys, the kernel driver which implements the Windows User environment and GDI. I see, trying to restore it would be too risky if not impossible, I'm not sure if the explorer patcher developers already have some of this stuff in mind, but I hope they'll consider classic theme compatibility since ep already covers so much It's practically impossible to restore it as it was, but it should be easy to recreate as a user-mode program. ExplorerPatcher already has a working solution for this, so I don't think they'll consider this particular appearance though. |
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Nov 24, 2024 18:38:49 GMT -8
Since 24H2 has axed the ability to enable the classic theme how you normally would I wonder if the theme itself will ever be entirely removed if that's even possible What do you mean "the ability to enable the classic theme how you normally would"?
It's certainly possible that they could remove it, but that would only really be done if they were to change the fallback appearance. I think that it's unlikely, but Microsoft don't really care about backwards compatibility anymore, so it's certainly something that could happen.
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Post by anixx on Nov 24, 2024 20:10:10 GMT -8
Couldn't most removed features be recreated from scratch if anyone were bothered? This usially creates a lot of glitches because the re-creator usually only bothers about own usecase. For instance, the OpenShell developers do not bother about the Classic Theme compatibility because they do not use it. Explorer Patcher's fix for classic-themed taskbar does not work on multiple monitors, because the devs only use one monitor. And so on. |
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Post by anixx on Nov 24, 2024 20:13:04 GMT -8
That sounds interesting, from a google search it sounds like simple window switcher replicates 10's ui pretty well, so hopefully will see an nt style someday.
Although now that I've been thinking about it, how exactly is the nt window switcher handled? Since it appears when explorer isn't running I'm guessing it's tied to something else
"NT" window switcher is implemented into win32k.sys, the kernel driver which implements the Windows User environment and GDI. I thought, it is in the csrss.exe process. |
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Post by anixx on Nov 24, 2024 20:16:05 GMT -8
"NT" window switcher is implemented into win32k.sys, the kernel driver which implements the Windows User environment and GDI. I see, trying to restore it would be too risky if not impossible, I'm not sure if the explorer patcher developers already have some of this stuff in mind, but I hope they'll consider classic theme compatibility since ep already covers so much When you make the registry settings to turn on the legacy Alt+Tab switcher on 24H2, Alt+Tab still works, it just directly switches the windows, without any dialog. |
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Post by anixx on Nov 24, 2024 20:55:15 GMT -8
For use with a classic theme, Win11 23H2 and earlier is as good as Win10, provided that all the appropriate Windhawk mods are installed.
Windows 11 24H2 removed the classic taskbar and the classic Alt+Tab dialog. These are the things Windows 11 really broke.
This isn't exactly a solution but could a possible work-around be the xp-era alt-tab powertoy? I'm not sure if it works on 11, but it works with themes + the classic theme
It does not install on 11. |
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