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Post by anixx on Sept 12, 2024 11:56:49 GMT -8
Start menu is XAML-based since Windows 8. 8.X start screen is not XAML,its DUI.
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Post by betafan82 on Sept 12, 2024 13:09:10 GMT -8
I'm talking about this startmenu. As far as i know it was in the early Windows 10 builds, but originally made for Windows 8.1 Update 3 only available on ARM. It worked like the Windows 7 startmenu.  btw: The first XAML start menu was introduced between builds 9860 (hidden, buggy) and 9879 |
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Post by anixx on Sept 12, 2024 13:52:20 GMT -8
The Win8 start menu definitely uses the Metro UI design.
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Sept 12, 2024 15:25:17 GMT -8
8.X start screen is not XAML,its DUI.
MDL is a design language in the sense that it is a set of visual motifs used to provide a certain identifying appearance in graphic design. It has nothing to do with programming, only graphic design.
XAML is a UI declaration programming language (think HTML). XAML itself has a few different implements: it has been historically used in Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) and Silverlight, with the main implementation being used in WinUI.
By the way, I believe that the start screen is a mix of DirectUI and early WinUI. It's hard to look into it (TWinUI is a very complex library to analyse), but I've heard both accounts from reverse engineers who've looked into separate components of it, so I suppose it makes sense that they'd combine the two in some way.
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Post by NanamiMadobe on Sept 12, 2024 15:30:03 GMT -8
MDL is a design language in the sense that it is a set of visual motifs used to provide a certain identifying appearance in graphic design. It has nothing to do with programming, only graphic design.
XAML is a UI declaration programming language (think HTML). XAML itself has a few different implements: it has been historically used in Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) and Silverlight, with the main implementation being used in WinUI.
By the way, I believe that the start screen is a mix of DirectUI and early WinUI. It's hard to look into it (TWinUI is a very complex library to analyse), but I've heard both accounts from reverse engineers who've looked into separate components of it, so I suppose it makes sense that they'd combine the two in some way.
Thanks that answers everything, I want to know that is Windows 7's Entire Shell/UI based on DirectUI and what about the Start Menu and Taskbar I know Windows 7 doesn't use the same stuff that is in Windows 10 or 11. |
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Post by ephemeralViolette on Sept 12, 2024 16:09:50 GMT -8
MDL is a design language in the sense that it is a set of visual motifs used to provide a certain identifying appearance in graphic design. It has nothing to do with programming, only graphic design.
XAML is a UI declaration programming language (think HTML). XAML itself has a few different implements: it has been historically used in Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) and Silverlight, with the main implementation being used in WinUI.
By the way, I believe that the start screen is a mix of DirectUI and early WinUI. It's hard to look into it (TWinUI is a very complex library to analyse), but I've heard both accounts from reverse engineers who've looked into separate components of it, so I suppose it makes sense that they'd combine the two in some way.
Thanks that answers everything, I want to know that is Windows 7's Entire Shell/UI based on DirectUI and what about the Start Menu and Taskbar I know Windows 7 doesn't use the same stuff that is in Windows 10 or 11. The entire Windows 7 shell is not based on DirectUI. The most they did in that regard in Windows 7 was port Windows Explorer list views to use DirectUI instead of the ComCtl32 "SysListView32" control. The taskbar and start menu are not DirectUI at all.
Also the transition of list views from ComCtl32 to DirectUI only affected Windows Explorer. To this day, the desktop still uses SysListView32.
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Post by anixx on Sept 12, 2024 16:32:10 GMT -8
Thanks that answers everything, I want to know that is Windows 7's Entire Shell/UI based on DirectUI and what about the Start Menu and Taskbar I know Windows 7 doesn't use the same stuff that is in Windows 10 or 11. The entire Windows 7 shell is not based on DirectUI. The most they did in that regard in Windows 7 was port Windows Explorer list views to use DirectUI instead of the ComCtl32 "SysListView32" control. The taskbar and start menu are not DirectUI at all.
Also the transition of list views from ComCtl32 to DirectUI only affected Windows Explorer. To this day, the desktop still uses SysListView32.
In Win10/11 it indeed uses a DirectUI control, but before that there was an intermediate stage, something like IconView control. |
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Post by NanamiMadobe on Sept 12, 2024 17:04:24 GMT -8
Thanks that answers everything, I want to know that is Windows 7's Entire Shell/UI based on DirectUI and what about the Start Menu and Taskbar I know Windows 7 doesn't use the same stuff that is in Windows 10 or 11. The entire Windows 7 shell is not based on DirectUI. The most they did in that regard in Windows 7 was port Windows Explorer list views to use DirectUI instead of the ComCtl32 "SysListView32" control. The taskbar and start menu are not DirectUI at all.
Also the transition of list views from ComCtl32 to DirectUI only affected Windows Explorer. To this day, the desktop still uses SysListView32.
So there was basically no UI framework and just a bunch of stuff put together for Windows 7 and below that is basically it Taskbar, Start Menu Titlebars, Borarders, etc, etc. |
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Post by NanamiMadobe on Sept 12, 2024 17:06:08 GMT -8
The entire Windows 7 shell is not based on DirectUI. The most they did in that regard in Windows 7 was port Windows Explorer list views to use DirectUI instead of the ComCtl32 "SysListView32" control. The taskbar and start menu are not DirectUI at all.
Also the transition of list views from ComCtl32 to DirectUI only affected Windows Explorer. To this day, the desktop still uses SysListView32.
In Win10/11 it indeed uses a DirectUI control, but before that there was an intermediate stage, something like IconView control. Damn I didn't know that so it was using a view list for everything like the Taskbar, Start Menu, Titlebars, etc etc so there was basically no framework at play here. Man I always thought as a kid Windows 7 and below used the QTFramework. |
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Post by StouakOvsky on Sept 13, 2024 18:37:42 GMT -8
Hmm, the start menu doesn't show help and support, is there a way to fix this?
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Post by tselim on Sept 13, 2024 18:47:47 GMT -8
Hmm, the start menu doesn't show help and support, is there a way to fix this? pretty weird honestly, shows up for me but does nothing. |
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Post by Yudachi on Sept 14, 2024 5:53:32 GMT -8
kamuisuki These are my result of Vista SP2 explorer.exe running on Windows 10.
How do you do that, i changed the explorer to Vista SP2 and only gets a error with code 0xc00000142 |
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Post by tselim on Sept 14, 2024 8:31:29 GMT -8
how do i make explorer7 always start with adminstrator privileges?
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Post by vruh2 on Sept 14, 2024 11:56:37 GMT -8
Thx 2 Misha - UWP in explorer7 soon. Note - it'll be fully toggleable on/off through a registry key, so for those who don't want UWP hogging their system down or whatever, it should be accounted for.
Do we have an update for this or even a test version, I'd like to be able to use Settings for some stuff thats really important. Not in a while, right now this is still fairly early (doesn't filter a lot of hidden UWP windows that now suddenly become visible, windows key is taken up by the windows 10 start menu, so on...) It'll prob be a while before this gets released.
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Post by vruh2 on Sept 14, 2024 18:05:47 GMT -8
Windows 8 build 7785's explorer running under explorer7 With a bit of effort, we managed to get this, and build 7779's explorer, to work under the wrapper. The download is pinned on our Discord server's general channel.
This allows for multi monitor taskbars (and an user tile that does nothing in 7785's case).
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Post by technicalissues on Sept 15, 2024 9:05:21 GMT -8
Do we have an update for this or even a test version, I'd like to be able to use Settings for some stuff thats really important. Not in a while, right now this is still fairly early (doesn't filter a lot of hidden UWP windows that now suddenly become visible, windows key is taken up by the windows 10 start menu, so on...) It'll prob be a while before this gets released.
Ah, I see! I wonder however if the Windows key issue could, for now have a band-aid fix like using AHK to redirect it to the Windows 7 menu? |
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Post by betafan82 on Sept 16, 2024 16:49:50 GMT -8
Explorer7 disappeared from my Discord, have no notification or info why. Can't rejoin. What happened?
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Post by ⠀ on Sept 16, 2024 19:43:07 GMT -8
Explorer7 disappeared from my Discord, have no notification or info why. Can't rejoin. What happened? if you cant rejoin, copy the invite link and paste it in your discord client |
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Post by Ittr on Sept 17, 2024 2:32:04 GMT -8
Not in a while, right now this is still fairly early (doesn't filter a lot of hidden UWP windows that now suddenly become visible, windows key is taken up by the windows 10 start menu, so on...) It'll prob be a while before this gets released.
Ah, I see! I wonder however if the Windows key issue could, for now have a band-aid fix like using AHK to redirect it to the Windows 7 menu? We don't want people to have to rely on external software for basic shell functionality to behave properly. Milestone 2 will instead fix the bug. |
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Post by Erizur on Sept 17, 2024 15:31:23 GMT -8
Explorer7 disappeared from my Discord, have no notification or info why. Can't rejoin. What happened? Automod issues. Seems like you got accidentally banned. Try rejoining now. It should be fixed. |
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