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Post by Baloo on Jun 27, 2020 20:25:34 GMT -8
github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
The great Chicago95 Theme for XFCE Desktops on Linux has been fully updated! Thanks to the hard work of EMH-Mark-I and Grassmunk, the theme now has a fully functioning GUI Installer Script for both the theme and any Plus! Themes you wish to add-on! Now you can go right back to the 90s with this unbelievable theme.
Works in Debian, MX Linux, Linux Mint, Xubuntu, Arch Linux, and any other flavor of Linux that supports XFCE desktop. Some support for Cinnamon and KDE desktops. Includes a working splash screen in Python.
Definitely check it out, this is the theme that made me ditch Windows so I could get the full classic theme experience. Best viewed with Pale Moon Browser and the Moonscape theme.
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 1, 2020 16:30:54 GMT -8
i made a better theme in openshell you might need to make this version of the startmenu the one thats there now looks horrible that ugly startmenu needs to be fixed. I never thought the day would come when linux needed classicshell/openshell
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 1, 2020 16:31:49 GMT -8
github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
Definitely check it out, this is the theme that made me ditch Windows so I could get the full classic theme experience. Best viewed with Pale Moon Browser and the Moonscape theme.
Moonscape? why not micromoon?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 12:24:11 GMT -8
i made a better theme in openshell you might need to make this version of the startmenu the one thats there now looks horrible that ugly startmenu needs to be fixed. I never thought the day would come when linux needed classicshell/openshell Considering the sources for the GTK and Xfwm themes are open source, if you believe you can do better, go at it - as we often say, "Patches welcome". [Note: I am *not* the developer of this theme - more so a proponent of the "DIY" approach]. Something like "easier said than done" springs to mind. Apart from that, looks are highly subjective - what you think is 'good looking' may be butt ugly from my point of view. Or it may not be. But I digress. I do have a feeling you're not quite familiar with Linux-based operating systems, though. There isn't only one graphical environment under these systems - if you don't like one desktop environment, change it out for another. And besides, Classic Shell is an extension for Windows Explorer - how would that work on a Linux-based system, exactly?
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 2, 2020 13:18:42 GMT -8
Considering the sources for the GTK and Xfwm themes are open source, if you believe you can do better, go at it - as we often say, "Patches welcome". So why did nobody do it better then?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 2:52:55 GMT -8
So why did nobody do it better then? Perhaps because people like it the way it is now? As I said, looks are subjective. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." If it doesn't fit your [here I mean *you* specifically, powerplayer] liking, then you're free to change it until it does suit *your* preferences - the sources for the entire thing are freely available, after all.
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 3, 2020 5:48:26 GMT -8
So why did nobody do it better then? Perhaps because people like it the way it is now? As I said, looks are subjective. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." If it doesn't fit your [here I mean *you* specifically, powerplayer ] liking, then you're free to change it until it does suit *your* preferences - the sources for the entire thing are freely available, after all. Being available does not mean easy to do they had to go around the 'improvements' and try to make a classic startmenu instead they got a mishmash of win95 and win7 menu because the window manager does not have support for classic start menu your free to change it to a point this is a common problem with linux when they 'improve' things they end up breaking stuff in early versions of redhat you had the classic startmenu , impossible to switch back now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 10:24:19 GMT -8
Being available does not mean easy to do they had to go around the 'improvements' and try to make a classic startmenu instead they got a mishmash of win95 and win7 menu because the window manager does not have support for classic start menu your free to change it to a point this is a common problem with linux when they 'improve' things they end up breaking stuff in early versions of redhat you had the classic startmenu , impossible to switch back now. I never said it was easy - I merely said it is possible to do so. At least GTK themes use CSS to style elements nowadays. Writing Qt widget styles used to be a lot harder than even GTK styles. Also, it would be nice if you used some form of punctuation and/or paragraphing, it's hard to read what message you're trying to convey if your entire post looks like one long, uninterrupted sentence. Anyway, there isn't merely *one* desktop environment under *NIX. And then it also depends on each distribution's defaults. I use Arch Linux, which ships most software unmodified (i.e. it's just directly compiled upstream software). Xfce by default has a classic-style applications menu (i.e. it resembles the Windows 9x menu) - the distribution that Chicago95's creator used (I assume Xubuntu) uses the Whisker Menu (or they liked it and switched the classic-style menu out for it), which looks more like Vista's and 7's start menu. It's up to the end user to choose what they like to use. I could make my Xfce setup look like Windows 9x with a little bit of effort - it would never be a true carbon copy of 9x, but it would get me close enough. The old Red Hat you speak of used to ship with GNOME 1.x and 2.x, if I'm not mistaken. GNOME 2.x was forked, and more or less lives on as MATE, which by default also ships with a classic applications menu. Unless you use Ubuntu MATE, which again also ships with a more Windows 7-ish application menu by default. Then there's also LXDE (and, more recently, LXQt), which also employs a traditional desktop paradigm. KDE does too, but it has such a plethora of options, features and extensions/plugins, that you can make it into anything you like, really. tl;dr: If you make a bit of an effort, you can get a 'true' classic desktop by picking the right environment with the right panel applets. There's enough to choose from, so eat your heart out.
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 4, 2020 0:49:29 GMT -8
If you make a bit of an effort, you can get a 'true' classic desktop by picking the right environment with the right panel applets. There's enough to choose from, so eat your heart out. In other words that start menu will never materialize. It's not like you can just take classic95 at www.gnome-look.org/p/1012363/ and just put it in place of that strange hard to use 2 panel menu.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 1:43:52 GMT -8
In other words that start menu will never materialize. Yes, you can - did you actually read what I wrote? Let me condense it even further: - a GTK theme has *nothing* do with the panel layout. GTK themes only style elements, they don't throw panels around or magically add applets.
- Xfce, MATE, KDE, LXDE/LXQt etc. all ship with a 'classic' application menu. Depending on your distribution, it may or may not be part the default setup. But it's there.
So yes, you *can* create a Windows 9x-style desktop under most desktop environments if you put in the slightest bit of effort. I made the following in about a minute or three (click to enlarge). The system is Arch Linux with Xfce 4.14 and the *chicago95*-git packages from the AUR.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 4, 2020 8:06:13 GMT -8
Yes, you can - did you actually read what I wrote? Let me condense it even further: - a GTK theme has *nothing* do with the panel layout. GTK themes only style elements, they don't throw panels around or magically add applets.
- Xfce, MATE, KDE, LXDE/LXQt etc. all ship with a 'classic' application menu. Depending on your distribution, it may or may not be part the default setup. But it's there.
So yes, you *can* create a Windows 9x-style desktop under most desktop environments if you put in the slightest bit of effort. I made the following in about a minute or three (click to enlarge). The system is Arch Linux with Xfce 4.14 and the *chicago95*-git packages from the AUR.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
1. No caption 2. you dont have search , documents and log off and programs looks like you slammed everything together in one place as quick as possible with the limited program options allowing you to do that. Replicating the exact win95 style would take longer than that. If i know my linux well it will be impossible to do without taking apart the whole thing reinventing the wheel again and then everybody must use the fork to get same effect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 9:42:43 GMT -8
>"you don't have search" I don't have a 'search' tool installed because I do most of my file searches through locate and/or find (CLI). That would be less than one minute of work to add to the menu (installing catfish|$any_other_search_tool and adding a launcher to the menu, to be exact).
>"[you don't have] documents" That could also be added in under one minute.
>"[you don't have] logout" Except that I do? If it's about the fact that it's called 'Log Off' instead - that can also be changed in under one minute.
>"[you don't have] programs" Adding that submenu would be a bit more work, though not un-doable. Most of these things can be changed using a menu editor; the 'Programs' item possibly as well, though I'd have to look into that.
>"[it] looks like you slammed everything together in one place as quick as possible. Replicating the exact win95 style would take longer than that." Yes, that is exactly what I did. And I quote: It was a proof of concept, to show that it's possible to fairly swiftly get a Windows 9x-style desktop. I never claimed it was a full-on carbon copy - in fact, I stated multiple times that that is not possible to achieve, not to a full 100% anyway. The emphasis lies on "style". Selective reading much?
>"If i know my linux well it will be impossible to do without taking apart the whole thing reinventing the wheel again and then everybody must use the fork to get same effect." Allow me to be so bold as to claim you do not know your Linux well, then. As I mentioned multiples times, this is merely *one* (1) of the plethora of desktop environments that can be installed on a *NIX system - my example was done using only this *one* (1) desktop environment. Other environments may achieve either better or worse results - as always, YMMV.
I have a certain feeling that this discussion is going to continue ad infinitum insanitumque.
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Post by The Jackal on Jul 4, 2020 11:03:54 GMT -8
Is icon size controllable? 48x48 icons in the file explorer is my only gripe with that screenshot, and it's only because of personal preference for 32x icons.
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 4, 2020 11:18:10 GMT -8
I have a certain feeling that this discussion is going to continue ad infinitum insanitumque. Ok but it will screw up at the caption bar right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 12:48:05 GMT -8
Is icon size controllable? 48x48 icons in the file explorer is my only gripe with that screenshot, and it's only because of personal preference for 32x icons. Yes, the icon size in the file manager can be set from anything between and including 16x16 and 256x256, the desktop icon size to anything between and including 16x16 and 192x192. Changing one doesn't change the other, though (more or less like in Windows).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 12:48:41 GMT -8
Ok but it will screw up at the caption bar right? What exactly do you mean by 'caption bar'? The window title bar? And if so, screw up in what way, exactly?
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 4, 2020 12:49:44 GMT -8
Ok but it will screw up at the caption bar right? What exactly do you mean by 'caption bar'? The window title bar? And if so, screw up in what way, exactly? The one that says windows 95 from the bizarre 2 column menu
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 13:02:47 GMT -8
The one that says windows 95 from the bizarre 2 column menu Ah, the one in the Whisker Menu. I figure you would have to replace the image in the theme's assets if you wanted to change that. I don't see how it's screwed-up looking, though - could you clarify in a bit more detail what you mean by that? P.S. Now I also get what you meant by "1. No caption" in your reply to my screenshot. I don't think that can be added to the classic menu (i.e. the one I use).
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Post by powerplayer on Jul 5, 2020 11:41:32 GMT -8
The one that says windows 95 from the bizarre 2 column menu Ah, the one in the Whisker Menu. I figure you would have to replace the image in the theme's assets if you wanted to change that. I don't see how it's screwed-up looking, though - could you clarify in a bit more detail what you mean by that? P.S. Now I also get what you meant by "1. No caption" in your reply to my screenshot. I don't think that can be added to the classic menu (i.e. the one I use). Not too customizable this linux seemsa like stuff people want always get left out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 12:27:07 GMT -8
Ah, the one in the Whisker Menu. I figure you would have to replace the image in the theme's assets if you wanted to change that. I don't see how it's screwed-up looking, though - could you clarify in a bit more detail what you mean by that? P.S. Now I also get what you meant by "1. No caption" in your reply to my screenshot. I don't think that can be added to the classic menu (i.e. the one I use). Not too customizable this linux seemsa like stuff people want always get left out I have regurgitated multiple times, among all things I have repeated several times already, that this is only *one* (1) of the desktop environments available under *NIX. Another environment might fit your needs better. As a last (and probably futile) attempt to explain how this works: - Xfce is a desktop environment. Not an entire operating system, but a desktop environment - i.e. a component of an operating system.
- Most Linux distributions (which are entire operating systems) ship several (if not all existent) desktop environments in their repositories, and are usually pre-configured with any one desktop environment out of the box. You can still install other desktop environments if you so desire. Exceptions to this are e.g Arch Linux, Linux from Scratch and Gentoo Linux.
- You are not limited to what a single desktop environment provides - you can mix and match components of several environments if specific ones don't suit your needs.
If 'people' want to see things added to $ANY_FOSS_PROJECT, they would do any of the following: - Submit a Pull Request on the project's Git repository.
- Submit a Bug Report or Feature Request, denoting what they would like to see.
- If they're capable, write and submit a patch that adds said functionality.
- If all else fails, take it upon themselves and fork the project, adding in their own changes.
You seem to generalize your statements to include a wider audience, yet you are the only person who is consistently complaining that "$PROJECT doesn't include every single small feature I want it to have, and also it doesn't look like a true carbon copy of Windows 95". From what I saw from your replies in other threads, you seen to have an IMO very distorted, and bordering unrealistic, view of software development. Or, in other words: if you [you specifically, powerplayer ] want the/any project to include/change features only you seem to ask for, or if you think you can do better, take it upon yourself and add/change them, i.e. contribute to the project. Simply complaining about this on small, niche forums doesn't magically create patches/features/fixes/etc - complaining in the project's issue/bug tracker may, however. YMMV. This has already become a TGN, as far as I'm concerned.
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